Talk:Velodyne

Requested move 8 February 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Withdrawn as noted below and in this edit. (non-admin closure) —&#8288;&#8202;&#8288;BarrelProof (talk) 21:07, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Velodyne → Velodyne Acoustics – Company changed name after spinoff to disambiguate itself from its parent, Velodyne Lidar. news coverage TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  19:59, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Velodyne is much more known as an audio equipment company. The logo acknowledges this, as the "Acoustics" is in tiny script with a different font from the huge "Velodyne". The longer-form official name doesn't matter. Even the headline of the magazine article mentioned by the proposer just uses "Velodyne" to refer to the company. The other company is already naturally disambiguated, since it is uniformly called "Velodyne Lidar", not "Velodyne" by itself. —&#8288;&#8202;&#8288;BarrelProof (talk) 00:13, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm OK if we do that, per your reasoning. We could say in the lead "'Velodyne', also known as 'Velodyne Acoustics'...", but then we have to remove all the "Acoustics" in the infobox to keep it consistent. The title has to match the first usage of the term, per site convention. So conversely, we could say "'Velodyne Acoustics', commonly known as 'Velodyne', ...". and change nothing else except moving the article and leaving a redirect. Either works. The first name just has to match the title and infobox. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  01:15, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * There is no requirement that the first phrase in the opening sentence needs to match the article title. The article name should be the common name, but the opening sentence will often start with a more formal name. See Labcorp, American Axle, Catfish Hunter and Jimmy Carter, for example. There are many examples like that. —&#8288;&#8202;&#8288;BarrelProof (talk) 18:41, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm OK with the info you added. I can remove the move proposal but we can leave this discussion for the archive. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  20:02, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Ownership and company status
As noted in the article, the Velodyne Acoustics company was purchased in 2019, but continues to operate in some form. This raises some questions. Is Velodyne Acoustics now part of a different company called Audio Reference? Is Velodyne Acoustics just a brand name now, and the real company name is now Audio Reference? Is Velodyne Acoustics a subsidiary of Audio Reference or a division of Audio Reference? The website says "In 2019, Mansour Mamaghani, with his company Audio Reference, a long-time German distributor of Velodyne Acoustics, acquired the company." That is a bit vague. Looking at the Velodyne Acoustics website, it says it is Velodyne Acoustics GmbH of Hamburg Germany, represented by Mansour Mamaghani. Similarly, the website for Audio Reference says it is Audio Reference GmbH of Hamburg Germany, also represented by Mansour Mamaghani. The Audio Reference company sells products made by various other companies, among which are Velodyne Acoustics products. After looking at this, it appears to me that Velodyne Acoustics GmbH and Audio Reference GmbH are two different companies that are basically both owned by the same person, and possibly Velodyne Acoustics is partly but not entirely owned by Audio Reference (while the rest of it is owned directly by Mamaghani), but it is difficult to be sure about that. —&#8288;&#8202;&#8288;BarrelProof (talk) 19:44, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Sounds like they haven't straightened their branding out yet. It'll be good to watch and see what future coverage comes out. I'll start a Google alert. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  19:59, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

As is now noted in the article, Velodyne Marine is now a separate company owned by David Hall (see http://www.velodynemarine.com/about.html). The current products of Velodyne Acoustics appear to only include subwoofers and related technology (e.g., no headphones). —&#8288;&#8202;&#8288;BarrelProof (talk) 21:01, 9 February 2022 (UTC)