Talk:Velupillai Prabhakaran/Archive 3

Re: Needs complete revision and admin intervention
>>:First of all, please sign your comments on the talk page using ~.
 * If you disagree with what is written you can change it, but you have to cite reliable sources, accroding to WP:RS policy. You cannot just write your opinion on Wikipedia.
 * And plase don't write your commentary on the main article. That is agianst WP policy.

While I completely understand, pls refer to the history of this page and I had posted on the negative-bias on it already. Due to lack of time, I really am not able to revamp this though there really are citable evidence to strike balance.

To begin with all the info in this page pertains to the 'terrorist' Prabhakaran which is documented mostly by the Sri Lankan government. All I am trying to argue for is the presence of the other side of Prabhakaran, showing his accomplishments as the head of an organization, the evidence for which is available in a number of Canadian and British publications. If anti-Prabhakaran info is deemed to be 'valid' then so is 'pro-Prabhakaran' info.

'''Do you want to take info about Bhagat Singh from Indian media or the British Media? I'd say take it from both, so that it highlights him both as a martyr and a warrior and also the other perspective of him as a terrorist. Let the readers decide. '''

Reading the current article, readers are not given a choice of informed decision, if you would kindly understand what I mean. User:Sudharsansn —Sudharsansn (talk · contribs) 18:34, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Re:Re: Needs complete revision and admin intervention
Snowfold, I am also a Sinhala speaker, as you are [evident from your profile] but yes, I want the readers to take a completely informed decision, something that is done when both sides are projected.

'''This article is being Vandalized and the Alfred Durairaj incident is being blown up beyond proportions when not much information is being given on what he did. Velupillai Prabhakaran, not adhering to his own principles are only to give a negative 'Cult of Personality' image and are completely not cited, and almost every piece of info in this article is biased towards the SL govt views as evident from the SL Wikipedians working on this article to promote their govt's stand on LTTE.'''

'''Needs Admin intervention, completely to prevent vandalism by pro-Sinhala, Anti-Tamil activists. Needs balance to be maintained. Readers are not given a choice of informed decision.  Sudharsansn —Sudharsansn (talk ·''' contribs) 19:11, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

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"Our beloved leader is alive," he said and added that the LTTE leadership will make contact with its people at a suitable time in future.

"These rumours have been set afloat to confuse the global Tamil community which has been voicing support for the liberation of Tamil Eelam," he further said.

Mr. Arivazhakan, who verified his identity through a senior reporter in Sri Lanka, did not reveal his location due to security reasons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.65.233 (talk • contribs) 17:54, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

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Addition of "terrorist" in lede
The term "terrorist" has been introduced in the lede by. Although WP:BRD requires that he start the discussion, he has refused, and reverted me twice.

The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam have been branded a "terrorist" organisation and it is right to say so in its article. But to say so in other articles which mention the LTTE, particularly in the lede, is a violation of WP:NPOV. If we look at similar articles we see that they do not mention "terrorist" in the lede:
 * Martin McGuinness: Lede mentions he was leader of the Provisional Irish Republican Army but does not say that the IRA were a "terrorist" organisation.
 * Abdullah Öcalan: Lede mentions he is leader of the Kurdistan Workers' Party but does not say that the PKK were a "terrorist" organisation.
 * Khaled Mashal: Lede mentions he is leader of the Hamas but does not say that the Hamas were a "terrorist" organisation.
 * Timoleón Jiménez: Lede mentions he is leader of the FARC but does not say that the FARC were a "terrorist" organisation.
 * Josu Urrutikoetxea: Lede mentions he is leader of the ETA but does not say that the ETA were a "terrorist" organisation.

Previous attempts to introduce the term "terrorist" in the lede have been reverted by numerous editors, e.g. 1; 2; 3; 4.--Obi2canibe (talk) 13:51, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

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In a widely circulated video tour of Prabakaran's (on Youtube) final bunker hideout, a cross is prominently displayed on the wall next to his bed, no hindu symbols are to be found. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.223.110.246 (talk • contribs) 22:02, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Prabhakaran was Methodist Christian
In a widely circulated video tour of Prabakaran's (on Youtube) final bunker hideout, a CROSS is prominently displayed on the wall next to his bed, no hindu symbols are to be found. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.223.110.246 (talk • contribs) 22:02, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

The photos of Prabhakaran clearly show him having a Hindu wedding.I would also like to mention that funeral of Prabhakaran,his father and his mother were done by creamation, which is a Hindu method of funeral.Also the name of his second son is Bhalchandran which is the name of Hindu deity.Talking about name of his First son Charles Anthony the name was given by Prabhakaran in remembarance of his close associate Charles Anthony who died in 1983, and many Tamil Hindus even in India have English names.Some of the photos of Prabhakaran even show him lightning diyas to pay tribute one of the LTTE members who died,which is a Hindu ritual.Prabhakaran was also great admirer of Hindu god Murugan.Today 85% of all tamils in Srilanka are Hindu. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thorat411 (talk • contribs) 08:05, 10 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Many politicians in India who are not Hindu participate in Hindu rituals and vice-versa. I also challenge your fashioned demographic statistics, which fly in the face of reliable sources noting his religion, as well as other sources alluding to the disproportionate role of Christians in fighting for a Tamil homeland in Sri Lanka. His parents religion need not be his religion, as religious conversion is quite common in Sri Lanka.Pectoretalk 22:29, 10 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I see that you have added Category:Sri Lankan Christians to this article. I shall wait for you to provide a reliable, neutral source to prove that VP was Christian.-- obi2canibe talk contr 15:40, 29 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I will like to mention it again that Prabhakaran had a Hindu wedding and if you say he was a Christian then how come he had a Hindu wedding and also Prabhakaran had his own janmakundali which is made only by Hindus — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thorat411 (talk • contribs) 08:54, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Telegraph: Prabhakaran born in a Hindu family
According to the Telegraph, Prabhakaran was born in a Hindu family. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 17:22, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

In a widely circulated video tour of Prabakaran's (on Youtube) final bunker hideout, a cross is prominently displayed on the wall next to his bed, no hindu symbols are to be found. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.223.110.246 (talk • contribs) 22:02, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Better sources needed
Having looked in to this briefly, it appears to be correct that the idea the LTTE or the general Tamil Eealam movement is some sort of Christian conspiracy is common. Considering this, I think we need good sources for the claim he was a Christian convert. The source used was an editorial and while it wasn't unduly negative (let alone to someone who is widely considered a terrorist), the fact remains it's not a great source. In the absence of multiple reliable sources preferably including media outside Sri Lanka the best bet is to simply exclude any mention of religion. Whatever the truth to the religious claims, there's even less evidence for any sort of religious motivation. This probably explains why there's little evidence for any real controversy. If there good coverage of any controversy over his religion, I would support inclusion, but we don't have that, instead a few not particularly good sources claiming he was Christian with not most sources not really mentioning religion at all. And for someone who was a widely hunted recognised terrorist leader for a long time in a long running conflict which as with any such conflict was full of propaganda from both sides, we should recognise the problem with anyone claiming to know such personal details (we don't even know the religious beliefs of many people who are widely interviews.). I've left in the 'born into a Hindu family' bit since it doesn't actually seem to be disputed but I won't object to its removal since it doesn't seem particularly relevant. Nil Einne (talk) 06:18, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and removed it, since leaving it implied that he remained Hindu, which he may not have. Jackmcbarn (talk) 15:56, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
 * As per above Prabhakaran was a Hindu and adding a blog and saying he is a Christian is wrong removed it per above.Trenchfighter (talk) 15:35, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

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Semi-protection request
I have requested semi-protection for this article due to persistent vandalism. Mathglot (talk) 08:40, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The article is now semi-protected; thanks for the assistance. Mathglot (talk) 22:56, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

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Unconstructive edits
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