Talk:Velvet

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The article says "Velvet was very expensive and was considered to be among the luxury goods together with silk." But if velvet is a fabric that can be made of any fiber, and silk is a type of natural fiber, then could one theoretically make a velvet of silk? Was this actually done? -- Milo, random curious passerby —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.221.196.6 (talk • contribs)

The best velvet was made from silk, and still is. I have just purchased several metres of silk velvet to make into a coat. Cotton velvet is usually fairly poor compared to silk, though most velvets nowadays are synthetic (polyester, acetate and viscose generally, these tend to be superior to cotton velvets) Historically velvet has also been made from wool, though i don't think it is any more. EACLucifer 06:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC) EACLucifer, gothic tailor.

[spam link removed, Mabalu (talk) 12:12, 8 July 2014 (UTC)] this is a useful webpage. Velvet as said here is used for stage curtains, upholstery and velvet is very receptive to dyes. The best fabrics are velvet and you can ask why. There is also crushed velvet as well as panne velvet. -- kimMart

Dry-clean only?
I have a velvet (cotton) shirt that's machine washable.

Then again, it doesn't say velvet, it just says "cotton" on it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lumarine (talk • contribs)

Does it stretch? if so it is probably velour rather than velvet. It is sometimes possible to wash the longer pile velvets, but it tends to leave them with a "frosted" appearance. EACLucifer 06:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC) EACLucifer, gothic tailor.

American velvet paintings
also details the life of Edgar Leeteg (1904-1953), "the father of American black velvet kitsch," whose "raucous and bawdy" life was previously captured by James Michener in Rascals in Paradise (1957). More info is needed on the 1960s/1970s (?) American velvet painting phenomenon! I would say this is info has noteworthy cultural value. I've added an expansion request. -71.51.51.120 23:54, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Since the velvet is used as a medium here to express a painting, shouldn't the velvet painting paragraph be placed in a painting article? Perhaps a "See Also" mention could be given for black velvet paintings as the main use of the cloth is certainly not for painting on. Pauldelery (talk) 18:13, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree this should be moved somewhere....


 * Yes! Move it! cdv (talk) 08:43, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I also agree on splitting this out, velvet painting is a pretty big subject in itself, and deserves a separate article. JZ (talk) 00:13, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I moved it! --Hedgeman (talk) 03:54, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Good choice. :) Durova Charge! 04:05, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Crushed velvet
Why no mention of this? Crush, or Crushed velvet, it's a fairly common term you often hear in the media and in music. There should at least be a mention of it in this article. Hopefully someone knowledgable enough on the subject can expand the article thusly. -- &oelig; &trade; 08:42, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Gallery of velvet types:
Putting notes here while I'm at it - there are some excellent textile close-ups on Commons from museum websites. Might be an idea to use them as the beginning of a gallery to support the types section as follows:


 * Chiffon (or transparent) velvet:
 * Ciselé File:Man's Coat and Waistcoat LACMA M.57.35a-b (2 of 3).jpg (Comment: Superb image)
 * Crushed:
 * Devoré or burnout: File:Devoré velvet (also known as burnout technique).jpg
 * Embossed: File:Morris and Co Acorn embossed velvet 1912.jpg
 * Hammered:
 * Lyons:
 * Mirror:
 * Nacré:
 * Panné:
 * Pile-on-pile: File:Textile LACMA M.55.12.27.jpg (very clearly shown)
 * Plain:
 * Utrecht:
 * Velveteen:
 * Voided: File:Textile LACMA M.55.12.48.jpg (good contrast between the dark green velvet and the voided ground of yellow satin)
 * Swan neck:
 * Wedding ring or ring velvet:

Putting the above list here as a work in progress and to collect together good images from Commons. Mabalu (talk) 17:54, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Velvet vs velveteen
This article makes the claim that warp yarns produce velvet pile while weft yarns produce velveteen, yet the article on velveteen describes it merely as an inferior sort of velvet made from a mixture of cotton and silk. I know nothing about this, so I'm staying out of it. If the statement in this article is correct, could someone identify a citation for it, and maybe add something to that effect in the velveteen article? The Oxford definition of velveteen supports the statement in the velveteen article, while the Merriam-Webster definition implies that both articles include a part of the truth. Maybe the word velveteen has been used in at least two different ways? Jbening (talk) 14:35, 29 July 2014 (UTC)


 * The fiber composition isn't what defines either; it's the manufacturing method. Because velveteen's pile is from the weft yarns, it isn't shiny like velvet and doesn't drape well; it's stiffer. Velvet's pile is made from the warp yarns so it's shiny and drapes well. Velvet has a longer pile than velveteen as well.
 * I'll work on making the definitions accurate and consistent and adding better citations. Tangledyarn (talk) 03:37, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Fixed the velveteen article; it was largely copied from a single uncited source (a fabric manufacturer) and was pretty inaccurate, so I rewrote most of it and added citations to better sources. The velvet and velveteen articles agree now. Tangledyarn (talk) 04:24, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

History section
The first section of the history section is uncited: "Because of its unusual softness and appearance as well as its high cost of production, velvet has often been associated with nobility. Velvet was introduced to Baghdad during the rule of Harun al-Rashid (700’s) by Kashmiri merchants. In the Mamluk era (1250–1517), Cairo was the world’s largest producer of velvet. Much of it was exported to Venice (whence it spread to most of Europe), Iberia and the Mali Empire. Mansa Musa, the ruler of the Mali Empire, visited Cairo on his pilgrimage to Mecca. Many Arab velvet makers accompanied him back to Timbuktu. Later Ibn Battuta mentions how Suleyman, the ruler of Mali, wore a locally produced complete crimson velvet kaftan on Eid. During the reign of Mehmed II, assistant cooks wore blue dresses (câme-i kebûd), conical hats (کلاه, külâh) and baggy trousers (چاقشیر, çakşır) made from Bursa velvet.".

For improvement: there's a lot to draw from in these sources: Tangledyarn (talk) 05:00, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * https://www.jstor.org/stable/3794632?seq=8
 * https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/tsaconf/1008/
 * https://koreascience.kr/article/JAKO200534718260215.page
 * https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=cTC8oKysf_0C&oi=fnd&pg=PP6&dq=velvet+fabric+history&ots=cRJ1xn1hdX&sig=ElfcppxprLnghNyP2cpfLgRCLeA#v=onepage&q=velvet%20fabric%20history&f=false
 * https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/tsaconf/972/