Talk:Vemulawada Bheemakavi

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@Abrahmad111, on the Vemulawada_Bheemakavi article you put unsourced information and claimed that the book is from 1932 and do not provide the link to the book. You put a reference whose link does not work either. There is a Vemulawada near Daksharamam and that is where the author hails from according to the referenced old book. Vemulawada in Karimanagar was originally called as Lemulawada. It has nothing to do with the Vemulawada near Daksharama Bheemeswara Temple in East Godavari. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 11:35, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

This is your only warning; if you vandalize Wikipedia again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 11:35, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

You have a new theory that the confusion is because of Kannada Bhima kavi.But he belongs to a different period altogether. It is ruled out.Based on your theory then KaviJanasrayam refers to a different Bhima Kavi then the chapter 18 must be removed from the book u referred. The Sircilla 1935 Andhra Maha Sabha conference area was called as Bhima Kavi Nagar in rememberance of Vemulawada Bhima Kavi

If you are NOT BIASED, you would have put the book I referred in the references page.I will get back to this article again in a short period.Abrahmad111 (talk) 14:08, 18 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I have never mentioned the word Telangana anywhere, you are showing your bias by mentioning that. I have mentioned Coastal Andhra only after you claimed the poet for yourself though both books were written by Andhras.


 * I have created the article and I was very unbiased unlike you claiming it for one region after finding another theory, the book you mentioned. Both books were written by Andhras and they are always debatable in nature and never created stories such as Potana's 3 acre farm and Somanatha's house, both of whom are from Rayalaseema actually. I can easily prove that Somanatha belonged to Rayalaseema where the actual Palakuriki is located.


 * Suravaram Pratapa Reddy has only written a book on Telugu people's history. You cannot claim it to be a research on just coastal andhra because it starts with Andhra in its title. Do you know Venkata Krishna Sastry, who is considered the Father of Telangana History by Namasthe Telangana, do you know Mallampalli who is considered the doyen of Telangana History and do you know P.V.Parabrahma Sastry who is great researcher on Telangana. They were all from Andhra and without them there would have not been any history recorded for a region. They all spent their whole lives on it. Andhra authors have always been unbiased unlike people like you. Feel free to put the book but you cannot say he belonged to a region as there are two theories. I thought you people never believed in books written by Andhra people, why do you want to quote it. Vemulawada in Karimnagar is actually Lembulawada, mention that on Vemulawada articles on wikipedia, read both books. Ya you like authors who say that the whole history belongs to you. SubhashiniIyer (talk)


 * You say something is called Bhima Kavi Nagar (you mean this colony was there when Bhima was alive, that is just silly), Daksharamam Bheemeswara temple near Bhimakrosuplaem in East Godavari is 100s of years older than Sircilla 1935 Andhra Maha Sabha which was organized by Madapati Hanumantha Rao of Andhra to help people of that area. He did not know how some people would turn out to be one day. Why do you claim that Sabha as yours though it was organized by Andhra and has Andhra name in it. There is Guntur in Warangal, which was a colony by people from Guntur, it does not make it Guntur. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 15:21, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Here are more of your biases, I was not wrong when I called certain regions are not of debating nature but are biased.

1)Bheema kavi mentions that he is the boon of Bheemeswara god of Vemulawada.This corresponds to the Vemulawada of Karimnagar. There is no Bheemeswara temple in Vemulawada of East Godavari district. There are Bheemeswara temples in Draksharamam and Samalkota which are around 25 km.
 * There was never a Bheemeswara in Karimnagar Lembulawada. It was never Vemulawada at that time. It was Lembulawada and it was a Kannada speaking region. The diety was Rajeswara. Whereas Dakshrama Bheemeswara temple is 20 kms away from Vemulawada in East Godavari which was a Telugu speaking region at that time. Bheemakrosupalem is also close by. Telugu was introduced in other regions by vengi gurus of Telugu Eastern Chalukyas whose areas came under the Kannada speaking Kakateeya rulers who were Western Chalukyan helper rulers. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 15:59, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

2) He mentions that he did this work for Komati Rechana in multiple places and that he is a Jain. There is a person called Malliya Rechana who is a Komati (Gomati/Jain) by caste under Chalukyas of Vemulawada,Karimnagar. Jainism was heavily prevalent in Telangana and still there are Jain temples in Warangal.
 * Jainism and Buddhism were prevalent all across Telugu land. At that time Telangana did not mean the present Telangana either, trivia for biased people. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 15:59, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Pampa mentions some place, but he belongs to someother place. NTR mentions Hyderabad and was chief minister from Hyd, it did not stop your friends from calling him something else. Where are you located, if you are located in UK or somewhere your great grandson will mention London and London does not become his own. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 15:59, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * There are temples constructed by Vengi Chalukyans in present Telangana region as well.
 * The present Telangana at that time was under Western Chalukyas who were of Kannada language. At that time Eastern Chalukyas were Telugu and they were located in Godavari districts. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 15:59, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

3) There is a kurikyala inscription by Jinavallabha(Pampa's brother) that he helped Malliya Rechana compose the Kavijanasrayam
 * Pampa and Jinavallabha's parents are from Andhra as recorded by the inscriptions at Kurikyala. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 15:59, 18 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Mudigonda Chalukyas -- you are completely lost in your own world. At that time rest of that region was speaking Kannada and only where Vengi rulers and gurus had influence such as Mudigonda started using Telugu. Read this book https://books.google.com/books?id=d4PCyXslrNsC&pg=PA2&dq=Mudigonda+Chalukyas&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjXitPT6sfUAhVD7YMKHdh8CjIQ6AEIJjAA#v=onepage&q=Mudigonda%20Chalukyas&f=false SubhashiniIyer (talk) 16:45, 18 June 2017 (UTC)


 * History has to be created but not borrowed or stolen from the same people (Andhra people like Venkata Krishna Sastry, Mallampalli, Jayanthi, Madapati, Pampa, Potana, Somanatha, P.V.Parabrahma Sastry, etc thousands who researched or lived in or wrote about certain other regions in addition to their own regions only because empires have occupied their own regions) who gave a history to a region. In 1000AD, map showing kannada speaking (western chalukyas) and telugu speaking (eastern chalukyas): http://www.worldhistorymaps.info/images/East-Hem_1000ad.jpg Research online for old maps before 1950s and you will see where Palakuriki is, only in Rayalaseema where Somanatha was from. Halakuriki in Karnataka. Some people are not able to digest the real history because of some brainwashing events that took place since the last 60 years. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 18:02, 18 June 2017 (UTC)


 * See all maps from 1000BC and where the Kannada Speaking Western Chalukyas and their vassals like Kakateeyas and Telugu Speaking Eastern Chalukyas are located. If you speak telugu, your forefathers were also probably from Eastern Chalukyan province and moved to some other region or if they were Kannada speaking then they might have changed to the new language adopted by the Kakateeya rulers. It is the fault of Kakateeyas and not yours or mine. http://www.worldhistorymaps.info/maps.html SubhashiniIyer (talk) 18:23, 18 June 2017 (UTC)


 * This books says, "Apart from coastal andhra, chiefs from western deccan particularly from karnataka, also moved to Telangana. The Vemulawada chalukyas (in Karmnagar) were one such family of chiefs." https://books.google.com/books?id=jYpuAAAAMAAJ&q=vemulawada+chalukyas&dq=vemulawada+chalukyas&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiT2YatpsjUAhUswYMKHWzjDAwQ6AEIQTAF Kannada people from some other region came to the area and Telugu people from some other region came to area and Telugu was established on the locals. Local and Non-local does not make any sense. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 21:14, 18 June 2017 (UTC)


 * From http://welcometotelangana.in/2017/03/02/vemulawada/

...In those inscriptions it is named as Lemulavatika, Lembulavade, Lembulavada. After the changes it is transformed into Lemulavada, Yemulada, Vemulavada. The oldest temples are located in Vemulawada in Karimnagar district.


 * PLEASE KEEP THE ORDER OF YOUR POSTS. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

--Abrahmad111 (talk) 10:43, 19 June 2017 (UTC)Please don't vandalize the wiki with Andhra centric view points. It is after all your page. I can create my own page with counter points.The author is an Andhra centric author.I don't mean all Andhra scholars are biased. I respect unbiased scholars. By Andhra I meant coastal Andhra.


 * You are the one vandalizing the content and keep bringing Andhra-Telangana. By Andhra I am made by you to believe it is only coastal andhra but can you deny that the whole Kakateeya region was called as Andhra. You are just taken by the 15 years of a movement. Aren't you. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Unlike you, I said there is a controversy. I retained two sources of information. You have removed the source I provided altogether. That shows you want to suppress facts and opinions.


 * No you didn't you claimed it for a region, you never said he is probably from this place or that place. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Joke of the century.. Bammera and Palakurthi are close to my village. AndhraPradesh Sahitya Academy has proved that Pothana was from Bammera,Warangal. Even then, Unlike you, I am okay to mention in the wiki(If I were the owner) that there is a controversy regarding Pothana's place.Check Palkurki Somanatha's wiki. The wiki mentions the controversy. You can't even tolerate mentioning the controversy about Vemulawada Bheema Kavi. One thing is for sure, he is called 'Palkurki Somanatha' and not 'Halkurki Somanatha' .Kannada villages start with H and Telugu villages start with P. (just like Halli and Palli)and second Palkurki's Love for Telugu language( He says - I don't want to Sankritise. I want to write in local language) is some kind of indicator about his roots.


 * There is Palakurthy at your place. Palakuriki is only in Rayalaseema. Vemulawada in Karimnagar was never Vemulawada but it was indeed Lembulawada. Let me know if you need the most authentic map from 1959 which shows where Palakuriki and Palakurthy are. I am not claiming anything like you do. I am scholarly and balanced. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

'Without coastal Andhra we are nothing.' - Well this is the kind of attitude why Telangana got separated. If you don't know Suravaram Prathapa reddy started a work on Telangana history from Ashoka time period but he could not complete.He died. I can also talk nonsense like you like without Dr.C.Narayana Reddy ,old telugu industry was crippled. NTR personally chose C.Na.Re for many things. C.Na.Re never asked. NTR only came to him. C.Narayana Reddy studied in Urdu medium till BA. See his interview. He is a natural scholar.The Telangana folk songs are enough to make him a natural scholar.He did not need any Andhra help. Not just him P.V.Narasimha rao studied in Urdu only. But he knows almost 12 languages.He did not need any Andhra help.He was a born genius. I can also argue like you without PV total India would have been bankrupt even till today.


 * Yes he needed Andhra help, all his interviews are loaded about it. You cannot get away with it. You are taught to be like that during the movement. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 14:42, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * You are inventing quotes. I have never said anything like you incorrectly quoted me as saying. That is improper on your part and that itself proves your nature. You are talking nonsense. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Do you know D.Raja Reddy ? He did thorough analysis on the Pre-satavahana coins and also that they were Buddhists.PVP is great but when you say with out him Telangana has no history you are nothing but a colonist.If not now, true things will always come out.When a Telangana person presented the kotilingala coins to the archaelogical dept,at that time PVP was heading. If it were C.Narayana Reddy or some other person then he would have taken up that job. There are so many people who study coins,inscriptions etc., There is even Bhandarkar who studied them.


 * Unfortunate that you go with your nature after stalwarts like Venkata Krishna Sastry, Mallampalli, PV.Parabrahma Sastry lived their lives to write your history without any bias. I wish they spent that time researching some other regions history. Learn to respect at least those great personalities. Why are you brining Kotilingala, you are completely obsessed with the movement that is why all this. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Eventually the true history will come out now or later....


 * It will never come out as long as the movement is understood correctly as a lie and political movement. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

You can't read English.I said the conference area was named as 'Bhima Kavi Nagar'. So by that time Vemulawada Bhima kavi was associated with Karimnagar. Please don't get into who helped whom business? Not just Madapati, Andhra Maha sabha was founded by Telangana members as well. Kindly check history.


 * Vemulawada in Karimnagar is Lembulawada infact and not Vemulawada. Andhra Maha Sabha was not founded initially by members of your region as you are taught otherwise it would never have had that word which you attribute to coastal andhra. The sabha was established by people from Seemandhra to help the people suffering under Nizam. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Joke of the millenium that Telugu is introduced by Vengi rulers. I have never seen such a brainless argument in my life.Please don't waste my time. That's y Telangana is now a new state because of this attitude. According to you Telugu history started only from 1000 AD?


 * Read book by Cynthia Talbot. I am not the one who said that. Even the other book that I gave as reference says it. When did I say it started from 1000AD. I gave a map which belonged to Bheemakavi's time to show the kingdoms. You are not of academic level to debate with. Do as you wish. I am not going to waste my time on some one who is obsessed with 15 years of propaganda. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

We were all under Ashoka's rule. It does not mean we spoke Prakrit/Pali --Abrahmad111 (talk) 13:35, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

You are talking as if kannada was spoken in Telangana before 1000 AD or so. Kings were of course Kannada origin.But people spoke Telugu. For that matter Raja Raja Narendra also had a Kannada origin.The name Chalukya itself means Kannada stock kings. Chalukyas ruled Maharashtra also.So it does not mean people spoke only Kannada. Because Maharastra Prakrit poems existed even in BC. Eastern Chalukyas were geographically distant from their western cousins. SO they had considerable independence.So they patronized Telugu.


 * Do you have the proof that people spoke the same language but only rulers spoke different. No author had claimed that. At least Cynthia Talbot did not. Even if you are right, then why do you like such rulers who are of Kannada origin and tried to establish kannada and why do you like urdu ganga-jamna people though they brought down temples in the area and used urdu and did not let you use telugu. The only stalwarts to bring back that region's history are of Seemandhra. I have never seen in any country where people were brainwashed in such a manner to dishonor somebody who gave identity to a place. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Who said I like urdu- I oppose KCR in this matter.Telangana is at the junction point between North and South and between west and the east.So you should understand that this is the first point of invasion.Coastal Andhra is geographically is geographically covered by Telugu speaking regions, it was protected. Why did Satavahana struck coins in Prakrit and Tamil (coins found in coastal district) So does that mean coastal Andhra spoke Tamil ? At that time Prakrit and Tamil were of high stature. Later Kannada became high stature.It does not mean people were also forced Kannada.Why did coastal andhra poets work for Kannada literature ? Is it not shameful then?--Abrahmad111 (talk) 13:35, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

I can talk about existence of Telugu in Telangana from 500BC onwards. All pre-satavahana rulers names are 'Samagopa,Gobadha, Narana, Siri Kamvaya' - all these names are Telangana style Telugu. These pre-satavahana coins are available only in Telangana(Kotilingala,Kondapur). I am talking about Pre-satavahana and not satavahana ( because I know you will present a biased view on Satavahana) and Kondapur is named after a person called 'Kondanna' who was a disciple of BUDDHAT times(BC).How can the word 'Anna' telugu exists in BC if according to you Telugu is brought to Telangana after 1000 AD only?


 * So Telugu is older than Kannada according to you. Ok I will leave that to you. Anna is a Dravida word and not just Telugu. The words that you use are the same in Kannada people's culture. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

What about the word 'Konda'?--Abrahmad111 (talk) 13:03, 19 June 2017 (UTC)


 * What are you trying to prove with the word Konda, do you know what it was called prior to Kakateeya reign? Also, there is a Kondapur village in Yadgir district of Karnataka as well. You are wasting my time. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 13:25, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Even before 1000 AD some early scholar introduced a concept called Trilinga desha. This is mentioned in Chinnayasuri book grammar book.google it. 'The language spoken between Kaleshwaram, Srisailam and Draksharamam is Telugu deshi bhasha' - which is 90% Telangana area.


 * Where did I say 100%. It only said regions where these lingams are located. so if you say that, then Hyderabad does not come under that boundaries. So it is not Telangana. Telangana is not the definition that you were told to believe since 60 years. Telangana means all Telugu regions, just as Andhra for which also your people gave a different meaning which unfortunately we are made to go with. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! Atleast you accepted what Telangana means. I know the word 'Telangana' is probably a new age term.. (Dravida- Tamila) 'Andhra' is a word to describe a Jati by North Indian literary works.'Telugu' is a language. Since Andhras adopted Telugu language it was called as 'Andhramu' only from 500-800 AD onwards. Satavahana's inscriptions never called AP+Telangana region as Andhra. They referred to as Asmaka,Mahendragiri etc .Be proud of Telugu language and get rid of the name(Andhra) given by some North Indian literature( just like you asked me not to love kannada brothers :-P) Andhra was referred to a region by some travellers/commentary works.Huen Tsang described the distance how he reached the Andhraka capital. Based on it,Elagandula( Karimnagar) was arrived at which is more close to Kotilingala.So by any means the epicentre was Telangana region. There is also Telivaha,(Tel nadi is mentioned in Chinnayasuri grammar book FYI) --Abrahmad111 (talk) 13:03, 19 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Telivaha itself is sanskrit. Jataka Tales come from around 200-250BC. River Tel is the Telivaha tributary of River Mahanadi. Since Mahanadi is in the state of Orissa, it is clear that a sect of Andhras came down via Orissa. Telivaha, you wanted that also. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 14:42, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh so we are all Telugus now, so there is no Andhra, that is what the united telugu desam was about, but prior to joining itself 60 yrs back you thought they were different. You are contradicting yourself. The elders in the movement have taught you to abhor the word Andhra, didn't they. Unfortunately even your C.N.R from Sircilla, Lembulawada used to refer to the entire telugu people as Andhra till his death. So he was wrong too. You again quote from Chinnayasuri from your "Andhra". You are created by the movement. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 13:25, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello madam! There is mention of Telivaha in Jain/Budhhist texts as well. If I tell that you will not believe.Thats y I used Chinnayasuri reference(so that now you will believe). Andhra is used for 'coastal Andhra' in general in Telangana.Even I use it as a habit.It does not mean I don't know the definiton of 'Visaalandhra'. If C.N.R uses Andhra word, why should I use? It is his choice. He is influenced. I prefer to be called a TeluNgu.(note arasunna in old telugu)Satavahana inscriptions never refer to the region as 'Andhra'.Tamilians don't call it as Dravida language nor they call it as Dravida Nadu.


 * By the way, capital for original Trilinga Desa was at Srikakulam in your "Andhra". Are you going to change that also. Think like a scholar and not somebody driven by a movement of brainwashing that took place in your region. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 12:03, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello!What I meant is Telugu is not limited to coastal districts. All Telugu land was never under single ruler. At the same time period of Andhra Vishnu there are coins of 6 generations Pre-Satavahana rulers (continuous history of coins) in Kotilingala. The coins bore Telugu names. So definitely not all telugu regions were under the same capital and telugu is not limited to a small region.--Abrahmad111 (talk) 13:35, 19 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Just because a bunch of coins are found in a place by a Andhra researcher it does not make a capital. You are just obsessed, come out of the movement. Did you even know that the researches involved in bringing out and writing books on it were from Andhra too. Why do you believe them if they wrote what you speak (as I do not know what they said)? Kotilingala is not found in any freaking world history until Venkata Krishna Sastry and Parabrhama showed the world the few coins that could have been from some traveler who stopped by the river as per the researchers. They knew stealing since then. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 13:41, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

I am saying Telugu land is not limited to coastal Andhra nor the Telugu language came from Coastal Andhra(that was your view initially).You are obsessed with your Andhra-centric view.--Abrahmad111 (talk) 14:02, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Early development of Telugu language in coastal belt is totally false.If you talk about early development of Telugu literature was in coastal belt then yes.But recent discoveries proved that early development of Telugu literature (even before Nannayya) happened in Vemulawada,Karimnagar but to a lesser extent than Kannada. In the same book'Minor Chalukyas inscriptions' You can see Telugu poems in 950 AD in Vemulawada inscriptions.Don't put a stupid argument that it was JinaVallabha.


 * Dont use curse words. Jinavallabha and Ponna are from other places who visited or lived for sometime in the place. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Because Not just poems there are now established Jain Telugu books 50-100 years before Nannayya. The Author is Malliya Rechana. There is no controversy about Rechana. He is from near by Vemulwada and he is a Jain Komati. Jina vallabha definitely helped Rechana. DOn't argue like coastal origin person helped because I already told you Telangana has natural scholars like C.Na.Re,P.V Narasimha rao. At some point early Kannada poets(Amogha Varsha much much before Pampa) also helped their successors.


 * P.V.Narasimha Rao's ancestors were from Seemandhra only as per Vepachedu.org, an organization from present Telangana who said that Pamulaparru village is in West Godavari district and he is of Aruvela Niyogi, Aruvelas are from that region. Read it before coming to me again. There logic seems ok but I do not go by it. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

What else, why not say the Indus Valley Civilization happened in coastal Andhra districts.Vepachedu founder is biased(I think sometime back I found he is an immigrant). What about your last name. If it was not due to marriage,then you are probably not from the Telugu land. Why do you always think migration happens from coastal to outward? As per puranas Andhra tribe migrated from North to South .So it means they had to cross Telangana before they can settle in coastal districts unless they had aeroplanes/came via kalinga.And after the fall of Kakatiya empire, many people migrated to southern districts. Infact some say Vijayanagar empire was by Kakatiya Hari hara/bukka raya. --Abrahmad111 (talk) 13:03, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

And PVP Sastry only concluded that Kavijanasrayam has more archaic Telugu than Nannayya's telugu. I am presenting you proof of PVP because you believe in only coastal scholars. It does not mean I don't have proof provided by non-coastal people See the two prefaces of the book https://www.telugubooks.in/collections/books-under-rs-500/products/kavi-janaasrayamu-toli-telugu-grandhamu


 * What are you trying to prove? Only that everything is yours? You are controlled by the movement and not scholarly thought. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Just provide your thoughts on 950 AD work on kavijanasrayam proved by PVP?--Abrahmad111 (talk) 13:03, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

and Kakatiyas were Telugus. See their names Venna, Gunda I, Gunda II, Gunda III and Erra. They were reporting to Kannada kings. So as soon they got independence they used Telugu inscriptions.


 * Earlier you said that the rulers were Kannada and people were Telugu and now you say the rulers are also Telugu. You are changing your stance. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

I was talking about Chalukyas not kakateeyas.Kakateeyas reported to Kannada Chalukyas.So as soon as they got independence they used Telugu in inscriptions.--Abrahmad111 (talk) 13:03, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

I dint comment on Pampa's origins. What do you want to convey here? You want to convey superiority ? In those days poets used to migrate and that's why there is a confusion.


 * You are the one acting superior-biased etc. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Pillalamarri Pinavirabhadra - they say he was originally from Pillamarri, Nalgonda.


 * When did I ever say he was not. You are obsessed with the false movement. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Pothana - cuddapah collector clarified that Pothana migrated from Warangal to Cuddapah during later half of his life.


 * Usually collectors from other places are assigned at other places. Is the collector from your region? I am very sure he was, I just saw the video. Is he a scholar? So Cuddapah collector read his books like I did. Did Cuddapah collector also talk about the 3 acre land of Potana and Potana Samadhi etc that were invented. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Collector consults the authorities and then release it to press. Don't be childish--Abrahmad111 (talk) 13:03, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Pampa - his forefathers might have migrated. I am not disputing that.


 * I do not care at this time whether you dispute or agree. Some people are in the mode of the movement and nothing can change them as the movement is done in a grand way as perfect as adolf.h did his. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Vemulawada Bhima Kavi - It could be that he could have migrated from Vemulawada, Karimnagar to delta districts for showcasing his works(as recorded by people's memory) or it could be that Malliya Rechana of Vemulawada,karimnagar invited him (But PVP sastry says that is all false.It is Rechana's original work). And all your poems you mentioned in the wiki are not recorded(they are from people's memory). Whatever is recorded physically - gives a connect between Rechana and Bhima Kavi.You should atleast agree to the controversy and include the controversy in the wiki.

And you keep on talking about Lemulawada.Do you have a definitive answer when Lemulawada changed to Vemulawada? Don't give andhra centric view that its name got changed recently only.


 * I gave you a reference from your own region's site and it is also per the archaeological artifacts and a book link was also provided. You keep denying it. What is andhra centric. Your brains are completely filled with the 15yrs of political movement. Come out of it and think like a researcher. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Please don't waste my time. Either you include the controversy or not, it is upto you. It is after all your page and a wiki.


 * You are the one wasting my time. Then why are you here if it is just a wiki page. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Unlike coastal andhra brothers, kannada brothers say Pampa is adikavi for his work quality but they acknowledge there are more poets even before Pampa. You guys don't accept that there are more literature before Nannayya(PVP proved about Malliya Rechana)


 * No one said there were no poets before Nannayya. You are just not able to take it because he is from another region and he was called Adikavi. If great Venkata Krishna Sastry, Mallampalli and PV Parabrahmasastry were like you and people of your movement you would not had any history. When I started reading Venkata Krishna Sastry's books on your regions history I literally cried, why because how much the man did and how much the movement lied and created people like you. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Haha.U-turn.I don't have any issue calling Nannayya Adikavi.But the problem is say you guys say Telugu developed from then onwards and then spread to inland telangana.That is the real problem.Even before 1000 AD there is telugu book which was confirmed by UNBIASED PVP? Forget that. Even in 500BC Hala king(Asmaka) used Telugu words (which are more closer to Telangana style Telugu).What is your take on that ? I even know stories about Nannayya destroying Jain works. let us not get into that :-)--Abrahmad111 (talk) 13:03, 19 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Behave like a scholar which you are not, and stop mockery. No one ever said Telugu developed after him, you are just not able to bear the fact that he is from another region. You just said above that we are all Telugus and now you show your colors again. If he was from your papa's town you would be okay. Oh, I know the crooked writers created by the movement taught you that Hala was yours, he was of Andhra dynasty (you yourself let go Andhra otherwise you could have claimed that without any issues). Andhras used Prakrit only in the beginning and there is no place in your region that Hala indicated as living in. So Hala is Telangana too, very scholarly indeed. Asmaka was a marathi prakrit region, if you do not have any idea read the books, just because somebody started referring it to Bodhan, your minds are gone. There is a controversy regarding that too, your movement-affected people attributed the Marathi things also to themselves. Truth about that will also come out as you say Satyameva Jayate. Marathi researchers say the capital was Podan or Potali in Nandura Tehsil in Maharashtra. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 13:26, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Please stop it yar. I did not even talk about Bodhan. Asmaka is like an intersection point between present-day Maharashtra and Telangana. You can't really separate. What is more important is the Telugu words. So you now changed your position that Telugu dint spread from coastal Andhra.Abrahmad111 (talk) 14:17, 19 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I never talked about Asmaka either. So present-day Telangana and present day AP are not joined by the same language but your movement of lies. You contradict yourself. I never said anything whether it is or whether it is not, you are the one not able to take history as it came to you but want to change it to suit you. You are the one claiming everything with bias. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 14:20, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Satyameva Jayate- Slowly things will come out.Abrahmad111 (talk) 10:43, 19 June 2017 (UTC)


 * ya, the effects of the movement. Satyameva Jayate does not mean anything to you. The first step for Satyameva Jayate is to come out of the movement which was big political lie still going on. Venkata Krishna Sastry, Viswanatha, Madapati, Mallampalli, PV Parabrahma Sastry would have died 10 times out of shock seeing the true nature of the political lie that created a whole people who went on rampage to change their history, changed by the same people to whom they gave so much history. What a shame and unfortunate event in the history of India. I am sure this will continue and it is very heart-wrenching to see it happen. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC)


 * you must come out of your political brainwash that you got during the false movement.
 * you must be an unbiased thinker like Venkata Krishna Sastry etc.
 * you must digest the fact that some regions had more history due to the fact that they were more habitable and not rocky like your region which is still not sufficient with water even after so many man-made lakes and even after blocking water to the low-lying regions and even after such a political movement of lies.
 * you must be grateful to the deeds of good people (whether they are from Andhra or elsewhere). You are thriving on books written by others and at the same time you rubbish their history, all the things that you show whether it is about Kotilingala, Lembulawada etc.


 * Accept the fact that Andhra and Telangana are synonymous and then you do not have to change the history. You are taught to abhor Andhra prior to knowing history, and when you started reading history you want to alienate it. That is the problem with your movement of falsities. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 14:45, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * DO ... WITH YOU ... I AM DONE ANSWERING TO YOUR LIES. IF I WASTE TIME THAT IS MY LOSS. THE CHEAP MOVEMENT TAUGHT YOU TO LIE AND STEAL OTHERS HISTORY, THE KANNADIGAS', THE MARATHAS', THE ANDHRAS' (Your definition)SubhashiniIyer (talk) 13:33, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

I have already provided references of two books.One by Sahitya Academy(2003).One by J.Ramayya Pantulu(1932). Let me know if you need references of other authors. As long as it proven by experts you should mention the controversy in your wiki.If you don't mention I am least bothered since you can't tolerate controversies :-) and you are trying to be an expert by yourself --Abrahmad111 (talk) 08:50, 26 June 2017 (UTC) Your references never proved anything. They are not higher than Indian Antiquary journal of 1902. Lembulawada, Kannada Western Chalukyan region came under Telugu rule after Vengi was occupied by Kakateeyas and Vengi gurus moved in. Kannada is the mother tongue of the region of Lembulawada at that time. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 09:14, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

OMG! I can't help... KaviRajamarga(850 CE) says that core kannada was spoken between Bijapur, Raichur and Dharwad districts of present day Karnataka. However, the Kannada was a well known language between Godavari to Kavery.So if you argue that Kannada was mother tongue of people on the Tamil Nadu portion of Kavery river,only God can help.. may be you can raise this with any Tamil scholar.--Abrahmad111 (talk) 09:58, 26 June 2017 (UTC) There is no logic in what you wrote, where have I said Kannada was mother tongue of Tamil Nadu. Unless you are also claiming that Tamil was the tongue spoken in Lembulawada prior to Kannada and it belonged to Tamil Nadu. You are lost. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 10:50, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

KaviRajamarga(850 CE) says that "core kannada was spoken between Bijapur, Raichur and Dharwad districts of present day Karnataka. However, the Kannada was a well known language between Godavari to Kavery." --Abrahmad111 (talk) 17:29, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Benginadu is a kannada-dravidian word and not sanskrit. Venginadu is a telugu-dravidian kingdom. vengiparra is also a telugu word. nadu and parra are not sanskrit words. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 15:28, 25 June 2017 (UTC) Sorry you seem to don't understand sentences well. "Benginadu is mentioned in Sanskrit verse and not Kannada verse". I did not say Benginadu is a Sanksrit word. I said it appears in a Sanskrit verse.So your explanation of 'Ba' and 'Va' in Kannada does not hold good because if it had appeared in a Kannada verse then the explanation will have a decent standing.--Abrahmad111 (talk) 08:50, 26 June 2017 (UTC) Your logic itself tells you incorrect. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 09:09, 26 June 2017 (UTC) I can't argue with a person who does not understand the fine point--Abrahmad111 (talk) 09:47, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Claiming Somanatha by unreliable stories such as Someswara temple is like saying all people who have Tirumala name are from Tirupati. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 15:28, 25 June 2017 (UTC) Dear.I am trying to say that Palakurki in Rayalaseema has no significant material evidence whatsoever.--Abrahmad111 (talk) 08:50, 26 June 2017 (UTC) Palakurti was never Palakuriki or Halakuriki where Somanatha was associated with. Somanatha was associated with Srisailam and Potana was associated with Vontimitta (a telugu word for ekasilanagaram) and they have nothing to do with Orukal (a tamil word for one stone). SubhashiniIyer (talk) 09:21, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Some illogical things never change.. I don't want to argue further. But I can't stop giving you this reference. http://www.telugubhagavatam.org/?tebha&Skanda=1&Ghatta=3 See the mention of Bammera in the granthakartha. Vontimitta is a not a nagaram, it is a village--Abrahmad111 (talk) 09:47, 26 June 2017 (UTC) I am very reasonable, years of influence by a meaningless doctrine is causing this problem with you. -- the word Bammera was never used in the books on Antiquary until probably mid 20th century. -- Vontimitta was the only Ekasilanagaram in the oldest references. Balanagar and Dilshuknagars were also not cities. They were villages once and now they are towns inside Hyderabad. Hyd was only sized few blocks when it was created 400 yrs back, later it ate away so many nagarams. -- Potana was the brother-in-law of Srinadha. -- Potana wrote in sanskritized telugu and called his work Andhra Mahabhagavatam. -- Potana was associated with Kadapa's Vontimitta Ramalayam and he described the temple and the surroundings. -- No one ever found any inscription any where to tell where he was born. -- Potana was only remembered in Kadapa and the first telugu movie on him was made by them. -- Potana talked about Kakateeya reign and people elsewhere only because the entire region came under Kannadiga Kakateeyas who entertained the Telugu poets from the newly occupied region of Vengi just as Tulu ruler Krishna Deva Raya entertained Telugu poets and popularized Telugu which spread to Tamil Nadu and Karnataka more and more under his rule. That is why Tamil Nadu had so much Telugu population. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 10:36, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

All the above things about Potana plus other things like Singa Bhoopala, and Godavari river references were considered and disproved 100 years ago ( K.Veerasalingam himself rejected the Kadapa theory). Lies continue even after 100 years.--Abrahmad111 (talk) 17:27, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Why do you talk about Veerasalingam when you dislike what belongs to him. Lies, the movt. You are lost with the movt. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 10:19, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

You have no valid point about the subject.You are just talking from some movement point of view. There is no reason for me to dislike Veerasalingam.I am not even born.

You were not even born when Indian Antiquary journal was written and your false movt was also not born, yet you do not like the truth that I quoted from it. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 07:07, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

If you want a Telangana historian on the same potana subject, please refer "Dr. Dyavanapalli Satyanarayana" articles. At the same time, since you are CHAUVINISTIC,SELF-CENTRIC,Biased,brainwashed ppl, you will be by default against Telangana historians. SO I will present you other author references.

You are the one who is CHAUVINISTIC,SELF-CENTRIC,Biased,brainwashed. There has not been a single author from the region that you side with which could not produce a single unbiased debatable work till now. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 07:07, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

https://archive.org/stream/in.ernet.dli.2015.330137/2015.330137.Bammera-Pothana#page/n27/mode/2up POTANA is a SETTLED and CLOSED debate. Just you guys keep continuing it to show your colonial mindset.--Abrahmad111 (talk) 15:07, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Potana was from Kadapa's Vontimitta, that was the oldest history not written by me, later on other theory came written by people of your nature. Whether you like it or not, that is the truth. Potana's 3 acre land is such a shameless story. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 07:07, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

-- Potana or Potaraju, the real name of the poet, was of Aruvela Niyogi origin who belonged to Andhra, yes the same name that some people shred themselves off without the other anyone's force. A movt that ran so long as a one man show (no due response from the other side) where a name was thrashed and rejected by one party and later that party wants to have all that belongs to that name. This nature of denouncing the word Andhra started in early 20th century itself when Andhras created libraries and started Mahasabhas to oppose Nizam and educate the people, the opposing started with the puppets of Nizams. A section of them later joined those Sabhas whereas another section remained as they were and later became the cause of the next two movts of mindless lies.

You guys are BIG liars and COLONIAL mindset. There were some coastal people but not all - See the list. Unnava Venkataramiah, Madapati Hanumantha Rao, Suravaram Pratap Reddy, Ravi Narayan Reddy, T.Anantha Venkat Rao, Ramachandra Reddy Deshmukh, Alladurgam, Gopala Venkat Rao and Datta Narayana - You stole TELUGU origins from Telangana and Rayalaseema(earliest Telugu inscriptions) You stole ANDHRA word from Telangana (NOT even a SINGLE Buddhist text/literature/inscriptions refer to coastal belt as Andhra). ANDHRA inclueded coastal area only from 7th century onwards.--Abrahmad111 (talk) 17:30, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Now you are talking all rubbish. I have given a very good reference and you start abusing. Keep your decency. What is colonial? The urdu speaking people who brought down temples in that area and used urdu were not colonial for you. Prior to 1956, the power in hyd was in the hands of Kannadigas, Marathas and Urdu speaking, they were not colonial. But Veeresalingam, Mallampalli, Krishna Sastry, Jayanthi, NTR, Madapati, Viswanatha who worked to better the lives of the people of that region are colonials. Yet you quote and use their references and services. Madapati for Andha Mahasabhas. NTR for BC upliftment. Krishna Sastry for father of history of that region, viswanatha for establishing schools and for first principal role in lembulawada. Just a .1% of their good deeds. Shame. You are talking what was brainwashed to you. Ok now you say the word ANdhra was stolen from you. No one abashed the word but you yourself and now you claim it again. Shame. You need to come out of your brainwashed theories. Since you did not encounter anyone who knew the truth and could counter to your mindset, you thought whatever you said was right so far. Come out of your ego that was planted into you during the movt. Then you can understand the truth. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 10:33, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

As I said again - ANDHRA(like Dravida) is a name given by North Indian literature.That's why the word ANDHRA was never used in the earliest of the local inscriptions.So Telangana(Tamil Nadu) is an apt LOCAL name. But whenever North Indian texts were using ANDHRA region, they were referring to present day Telangana.

So many false statements you make. So according to you Ceded and Coastal were not part of old Telangana, and Asaf Jahis did not sell those parts from the old Telangana. So Andhra is a north indian word now, you say Andhra is the current Telangana, you say Andhra is Coastal Andhra, you abash Andhra, you reference and quote Andhra (ceded and coastal) authors when you talk about current Telangana. You are completely of false nature and pride. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 07:07, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

INDICA was called by western texts. But 'BHARATA' was the local name. This is scholarly material.You won't get it.--Abrahmad111 (talk) 15:07, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

You do not know anything. It is not Indica. It is India and it comes from Hindu (persian) which in turn comes from Sindhu (now in pakistan). Bharata was not the local name. Without the Sindhu culture of Rigveda, there is not Bharata. You think you can change even that with your false theories, I don't think so. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 07:07, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

FYI, Telangana government felicitated P.V.P. and it will continue to encourage truth speaking coastal people.. but will still continue its fight against CHAUVINISTIC,SELF-CENTRIC and BIASED coastal people.--Abrahmad111 (talk) 15:07, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

P.V.Parabhrama Sastry was felicitated for his hardwork and debatable nature. He was not biased like you and your group. There has not been a single person like P.V.Parabrahma Sastry from a hateful region that has ever produced a work on any other region but their own. That itself proves your nature. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 07:07, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

If that same people were okay and real and accepted that they were all Andhras (which they became after Kakateeyas adopted Telugu), then these new inventions of Potana's 3 acres, Vemulawada for Lembulawada, samadhi of somanatha at palakurthi etc etc would have never occurred. Some learned men of other regions have kept silent for years of mindless movement and inventions. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 10:36, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Truth keeps them silent--Abrahmad111 (talk) 17:27, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Not true, brainwash during the false movt created you. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 10:22, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

They could not come out because they know coastal people wanted Hyderabad after losing Madras.You were exposed on multiple occasions by M.V.Ramana Reddy. Just a sample https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMRZpwpQeIA --Abrahmad111 (talk) 15:07, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

You are talking nonsense, you like to be hateful. Do you think I care if Ceded talks rubbish about Coastal or Coastal talks rubbish about Ceded or Nizam talks rubbish about Ceded or Ceded talks rubbish about Nizam etc. I am multicultural unlike you who thinks there is only one world and everything belongs to that world. Do not degrade yourself. You are displaying your true biased nature by putting some unrelated politically motivated videos. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 07:07, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Duplicate Page creation and Vandalizing existing page
Hello Abrahmad111, you have created a duplicate page Vemulawada bhimakavi after vandalizing the existing page of Vemulawada Bheemakavi. You have been again vandalizing the old page of Vemulawada Bheemakavi everyday with unconvincing stories. I would like to inform you that it is against the rules of wikipedia. Please delete the newly created Vemulawada bhimakavi page and refrain from vandalizing the other pages. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 15:15, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

You have been vandalizing Vemulawada bhimakavi with duplicate tags where as I have provided 2003 Sahitya Academy reference.You are not able to challenge this reference so far. According to you,you have presented some evidence(oral and some Appakavi stories) which relate to 11th century which seems to be a different era poets altogether Vemulawada Bheemakavi. If you think both poets are the same, then please include the Sahitya Academy reference and present the majority scholars' opinion on the poet's early life in the Vemulawada Bheemakavi page

You vandalized the old page of Vemulawada Bheemakavi constantly, then you created another page called Vemulawada bhimakavi for the same poet with your one sided new stories and then you claimed he is not the same poet. Lembulawada of Karimnagar is not Vemulawada. Chalukyas in Karimnagar are nothing but Western Chalukyas. There was never something called Vemulawada (word never used in Karimnagar in old times when it was Kannada) Chalukyas before Lembulawada was changed to Vemulawada. History should be made but not ... Learn to respect. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 09:40, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

You please respect the authors Arudra,Nidudavolu,Sesadri.

What a joke, you tell me to, isn't the mov't about opposing Arudra, Nidudavolu, Sesadri, Jayanthi etc etc and their locations. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 10:40, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Why are you talking about Telangana movement? Senseless. I am talking about Encyclopaedia of Indian Literature published central Sahitya Academy. You have no valid point thats why you are resorting to an alternate topic.--Abrahmad111 (talk) 17:06, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

I have provided the truth with the references but you are not able to digest because you are loaded with false propaganda from the movt. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 10:37, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

I did not vandalize. Once you asked for references.I gave references. You could NOT challenge these references. Now you are saying that these 2003 references are waste compared to 1900 references?Only when the next Sahitya Academy publication changes its views, the controversy continues to exist--Abrahmad111 (talk) 10:10, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Are you serious, I could not challenge? You are not able to live a happy life after I provided The Indian Antiquary journal reference. Sahitya Academy has been a joke for so long and I bet it will remain so, and I know the reasons. You are so confident about Sahitya Academy because it is ruled by some people who dislike all that belongs to Arudra, Nidudavolu, Sesadri, Krishna Sastry -- the greatest archaeologist of regions around lembulawada, jayanthi, mallampalli, p.v.parabrahmasastry etc. You are so confident that Sahitya Academy will write the way you want and not honor the history, that is why it is renamed as a Regions Sahitya Academy.SubhashiniIyer (talk) 10:36, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Great that you branded the central Sahitya Academy too. Please stop your colonial mentality and note the below scholars who worked on Satavahana history in and around Karimnagar since 1908..... A. S. Altekar, K. D. Bajpai, S. B. Deo, P. L. Gupta, S. L. Katare, V. V. Mirashi, D. C. Sircar, B. N. Mukherjee and A. M. Shastri, S. Gokhale, Chandrashekhar Gupta, I.K. Sarma, P. R. K. Prasad., H. R. Raghunatha Bhatt, D. Raja Reddy, P. V. Parabrahma Sastry, P. Suryanarayana Reddy and A. V. Narasimha Murthy.--Abrahmad111 (talk) 17:06, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes, why should not I brand the so-called Sahitya academy when it is no longer Telugu Sahitya Academy but a Regions Sahitya Academy. You think you could fool around everyone just as you did during the movt. What is colonial mentality, you are talking nonsense that was loaded into you during the false movt. You again quote P.V.Parabrahma Sastry, A.V.Narasimha Murthy, etc but you dislike everything that is theirs. You are indecent. All the others (Bengalis, Marathis, Hindis etc) that you quoted are not colonials for you! Why don't you go to Osmania one day and see a Class portrait from 1950s as an example. You will find only Marathis, Kannadigas, Urdus, Tamils, Bengalis, Hindis in the school albums. You are created only during the last 15 years. Come out of it and think like a scholar. Think like Madapati, Krishna Sastry and be impartial to everyone. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 10:44, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

CHAUVINISTIC,BIASED and SELF CENTRIC people don't even read the title of the book 'Encyclopaedia of Indian Literature' by Central Sahitya Academy. IT IS NOT a REGIONS'S Sahitya Academy. The book consists of literature across all languages and that FYI ,Telangana govt felicitated P.V.Parabrahma Sastry. Telangana is not against people like P.V.P but definitely against CHAUVINISTIC,BIASED and SELF CENTRIC people. You were exposed on multiple occasions by M.V.Ramana Reddy. Just a sample https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMRZpwpQeIA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTLj_So7404 --Abrahmad111 (talk) 15:07, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

You are created by a false movt of chauvinism, bias and self centrism and here you are blaming me by attributing your nature. You call yourself a researcher, but when I showed you the scholarly referenced book you are not able to bear the truth and have degraded more, your comments are showing your true biased nature more. Most people in the region that you are obsessed with have been affected by the nasty movt and controlled by the after effects of it even today and will be in the future too. You will never come out of your chauvinistic obsession. Asaf Jahis sold the Coast and Ceded areas to the British and with those riches Hyderabad was built. You claim that true Andhra is Telangana but you use the word Andhra for some other region and abash the word. The so-called pearl city and diamond city got its names because of Golconda Diamond mines outside the region that you are obsessed about. You refer to writers from the region that you dislike and provide their references so shamelessly. You are so disrespectful of the very people who you reference and quote shamelessly. You have been making hateful statements and deviating from the topic and providing some unrelated videos of regional propaganda. I have roots in all regions, I cannot be biased like you. I am being natural, scholarly and research-oriented unlike you. Truth is what it is. If you were from those other regions you would have supported my oldest references and the true history and the balanced debate. History of Telugu people did not begin 60 years back as you were taught by the false movt. Please stop quoting P.V.Parabrahma Sastry if you are so hateful of everything that belongs to him. Do not degrade yourself more by putting unrelated videos displaying your bias. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 06:20, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

You are not a scholar but a biased guy created by the false movt. You do not deserve more replies from me on this topic. You have deviated from the topic of Vemulawada Bheemakavi and showed your true political and biased nature. I will discuss more on relevant topics and when you learn to be unbiased and respectful. SubhashiniIyer (talk) 07:15, 28 June 2017 (UTC)