Talk:Vending machine/Archives/2014

Deaths
i am new to wiki so i dont know if this is in the correct place but i know the part in safety about the deaths is not totally correct and i have heard many different answers wen i researched it i found it to be 13 deaths on average per year.

Coffee vending machine
I want to build my own coffee vending machine, which makes fresh hot coffee. does anyone have any schematics or how to info on how to go about doing this. any info will help

Separate articles
Keep the articles separate. One deals with vending machines; the other deals with a related peripheral item. The two topics are too different to warrant a merger. Gpscholar 05:51, 6 March 2006 (UTC)gp scholar


 * I agree, and since it's been three months and I don't see anyone arguing, I'm removing that merge tag.
 * Nice article, guys. TheMadBaron 17:36, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Additions
What happen to my additions? See this is a bunch of BS as I added content to this artical and it was changed to delete my additions. This free Encylopedia is a bunch of garbage that is justa front for some peoples benifits. Bad links to biz ops and articals that are one sided and bised, how can this be good? I will just add my additions again and if this is suppose to be a ad to artical then leave my additions alone. Lindel

arrgh. I finally got to write it. and it still needed others to touch-up. I am so glad that people are paying attention and fixing stuff. I fix what I see, but it is really hard to see your own mistakes.


 * Hey, that's the whole point of this being a wiki. :-) --Delirium 08:33 13 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Stop being a one sided page. This is a one sided website trying to control only certain people being able to add their links This is a website about vending and if other external links are allowed so are we. It is about vending machines and who carries them so if that is what it is about then leave our link alone.

This article needs some clean-up!
There is much to be done with this article. First there is a lot of irrelevant information, such as the mumbo on Japanese and Dutch vending machines. Second I think it would be more appropiate to put on more information about the Vending Machine's history, such as a timeline or something. Discuss. PorscheRacer711 19:09, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree, although I think that the major cleanup should start with the language on how one can start a vending machine business; references to this sort of business are scattered throughout the entry, and read like copy from those "moneymaking" magazines that were so popular in the 1970s. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.190.81.218 (talk) 00:53, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Vending machines are MACHINES!
But this article tells little about it. I think this article could use more explainations on this aspect.

Y'know, it could use an explanation of precisely how a vending machine tells the difference between various bills and coins and such....

It's what I came looking for, at least. --130.156.22.254 15:42, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * In that case, you're looking for explanations about the way coin operated machines work. I'm not sure if this article would be suitable for that kind of information, but since I can't find an article talking about coin-op machines as a whole, perhaps that kind of info would fit here, yeah. I've seen exactly what you're looking for on David MacCaulay's The Way Things Work multimedia encyclopedia. It's meant for children, I know, but it explains the coin/token operation process perfectly, with animations and all. – Mackeriv 14:02, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Ancient times
Fails to mention that vending machines date back to ancient times. --Daniel C. Boyer 13:38, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * Vending machines from the ancient times? And those would be...? – Mackeriv 14:02, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * See http://www.vending.org/about_vending/timeline.html . --Daniel C. Boyer 16:03, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * That link is broken. I can find no reference to vending machines from ancient times on the www.vending.org site. --Etimbo | Talk 12:16, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Currency detector
Currency detector --Rakista 19:35, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

vending machines in schools
do you guys have any opinions on vending machines in schools? for or against? reasons why? I'd be really interested in hearing you opinions.

We have some in our school.. no problems. sars 16:11, May 6, 2005 (UTC)

In our school there are a bunch of vending machines in there, and sometimes people vandalize and try to cheat the machines. Some people managed to make a machine so that when the drink is about to fall out, they put their hand in there to stop it and they get a refund, so they can buy more and more drinks. However after 2 drinks the machine gets jammed up i hear. Also our principal threatened to take out the vending machines in school if people didnt stop vandalizing them. Oh well, i rarely use the vending machines anyway, the stuff in there is overpriced, so id rather go to Wal-Mart or whatever and buy stuff cheaper, and in bigger sizes.--71.116.37.15 19:23, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Bulk candy vending
I have added the bulk candy section using info gleaned from the Yahoo vending groups (bulkvendingclub and newbie_vending), Bryon Krug's book, and other sources. We may want to consider breaking that section off into its own article eventually. 24.54.208.177 20:38, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

This is suppose to be a all can add
Stop taking our link down as this is a free for all site
 * I am not familiar with the link you are talking about, but I would suspect that users are repeatedly editing it out because it violates Wikipedia policy. Please review Policies and guidelines.  --Coolcaesar 06:33, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I didn't remove the link, but some specific Wikipedia policies applying to advertising include Spam, External links, and What Wikipedia is not (point 3, Advertising). That's probably why the link keeps coming down. No, it isn't a free for all site - it has rules, and one of them is to stop the ads from taking over. Art LaPella 06:42, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Anyone can post a link as long as they do not spam the post. It also says that it is not policy.
 * Actually, the policy at times seems to define any advertisement as spam. Despite the policy, Wikipedia does link to commercial sites that help explain an article - for instance, this one links to Vendo which links to the company's website. But Vendo gets 4,590,000 Google hits and many readers would want to see it. Vendweb gets 622 hits, and if it isn't deleted we might expect hundreds of similar links. See the difference? Art LaPella 02:32, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Sorry but it says distributors also and it is also a place for links of machines. So as long as it remains here then everyone should list their links. The public has the right to view all links not just the ones you choose. Happy Vending Vendweb.Com


 * No, your argument is still not convincing, because Wikipedia is not a link directory. If you fail to comply with Wikipedia policy, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia and any edits referring to your Web site will be deleted on sight.  --Coolcaesar 03:17, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

TEA VENDING MACHINE
have anyone heard bout these ...? can u please paste in the link or rel info abt it over here...


 * You mean Snapple?--Coolkid602006 04:35, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

yup, these were called Bottle Drop machines made by ECC and Dixie Narco. Dixi Narco bought ECC, Dixi Narco was purchased by CRANE in 2007.

If you need more info, email me at vendingguru@yahoo.com

Specialized Vending -- Controversial?!
What exactly is "controversial" about a vending machine in a restroom that vends personal products? These machines provide a valuable service to people in need. I could see some people objecting to condoms being sold this way, but feminine products??

Ned Scotland 18:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Spamming and vandalism
There seems to be alot of odd spamming and link removal going on between different editors (for example 209.249.80.14 and 67.188.65.174) . Editors of this article may want to double check what they are up to. I have restored some of what they have been deleting but what i restored may be spam. Please check. 69.72.93.152 04:33, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

The Past
After reading the article to some degree, I think the "History" section should be bumped up higher in the Table of Contents. Knuckles sonic8 01:34, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

HERE HERE. I JUST MADE AN EDIT WHERE I BUMPED IT DOWN. I AGREE THAT THE HISTORY IS VERY IMPORTANT AND WILL ADJUST MY COMMENTS ACCORDINGLY.

Great input on a talk page! —Preceding unsigned comment added by DerbyOwner (talk • contribs) 15:02, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

other products in japan
an addition to the crazy products listed which are dispensed by japanese vending machines, i've also been told of machines that dispense used girl's panties... 196.208.22.15 07:27, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

List of objects sold in Japanese vending machines
Is this section really suitable for Wikipedia? It doesn't seem very encyclopedic. --Micpp 03:09, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. It is very long and distracts a great deal from the article. Radagast83 02:38, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I personally think that the fact that, somewhere in this world, there are vending machines which sell live lobsters and fried squid, is interesting enough to be mentioned in an article about vending machines. Just my opinion! Phonemonkey 17:23, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * While the unusual nature of some items in Japanese vending machines is probably worthy of inclusion, it would probably be better to just note that they have strange items, and provide a few verifiable examples. A huge list of seemingly random inclusions isn't really the kind of thing one would see in an encyclopedia, and it would be virtually impossible to find a source for all the items mentioned. --Micpp 12:49, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Manufacturers and Distributors
There has been a lot of spam on the Manufacturers and Distributors subsection. As a result, only the main large manufacterers should are to be included, with no more distributors. Michigan13 03:32, 25 June 2007 (UTC)michigan13


 * Why are any manufacturers included in this article? Wiki isn't the Yellow Pages. This section should be removed.Bob98133 (talk) 17:00, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Agree, per WP:NOT--Hu12 (talk) 17:57, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Vendformylife.com
I removed the link for vendformylife.com, as it wasn't properly written in, and it was advertising. However, I think it would be a useful addition if included properly. FlamingGoldFish 12:31, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

In Japanese
"Vending machine" is pronounced in Japanese as vendingu mashin. --PJ Pete

Yes but it is not called so coz it is difficult for them to pronounce coz thats english and japan is not a english speaking countrySt777n (talk) 14:28, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Salesperson tone?
does it not seem that some of the statements on this article seem to be gearing people towards which vending machines they should consider purchasing? I think people from vending machine leasing companies are adding stuff. "Bulk vending may be a more practical choice than soft drink/snack vending for an individual who also works a full-time job, since the restaurants, retail stores, and other locations suitable for bulk vending may be more likely to be open during the evening and on weekends than venues such as offices that host soft drink and snack machines." What is that? MattVall 00:22, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

THE MAGIC NUMBERS
4-2-3-1

enter into coke machine & access its OS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.209.235.20 (talk) 08:42, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

We ought to add that to the article.--71.116.37.15 19:26, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

A Vending Machine that has both a cold and frozen all in one vending machine.
This must be a first in the vending industry. At the NAMA 2007 EXPO in Chicago Illinois the industry was introduced to a unique vending machine that had fresh salads with frozen ice cream in the same vending machine cavity. U-Select-It was proud to introduce this fresh food/frozen vending machine. They have been a leader in the vending industry for over 75 years and you can say they definitely turned heads at the show. My hat is off to their pioneering spirit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hchico (talk • contribs) 23:52, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Refurbishment
I just added Refurbishment to the article. This is definitely overlooked by novices in the Vending and Amusement Business.

Many 3rd party add ons beyond the major manufacturers are out there. There is no reason to sensor manufacturers that are not the "Big Business" idealist in this section.

Think of it like a car, there are alot of add on kits, but not everyone makes parts for Lamborghinis, Ferraris and Deloreans, and only a few make parts for Vending Machines. If you are new to the business get ready for a wide eyed experience when you go looking for parts.

Um................
How come a vending machine weighs like, 1k pounds or whatever? I understand a little bit of the weight comes from the items in the machine, and the frame, but how come it is so heavy? And yes, i understand why people die from vending machines because it is retangular shaped, and it is top heavy, so a little bit of tipping can cause doom.--71.116.37.15 19:26, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

- In the old days(1970s), weight and height were not a consideration as vandalism and abuse was not widespread. However, in an effort to keep out foreign competition you find that over the last 30 years that the weight and durability has increased. Hence, the major manufacturers in the U.S. are NOT dominant in Europe. IMO, the weight added to the longevity of the machine and kept out of area competition down.

Competitive Bottling Act
Anyone know anything about this Federal Act?

Injuries claim
''Before the advent of these machines, manufacturers estimate that 1 in every 1000 transactions resulted in serious bodily harm to the customer, including death. ''

I removed the above edit. It is an extraordinary claim and lacked a reference. If someone can find a reference, please re-add it with the reference. LonelyBeacon (talk) 03:51, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Heron of Alexandria
Although it is often said that Heron of Alexandria invented the vending machine, it may be truer to say that he was the first person to describe how one worked. The reference to the water dispensing machine comes from his works which were written c. 60AD. Just because he wrote about it, it does not automatically mean that he invented it. Perhaps the article should meake this clearer. -- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 12:21, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * All we know for sure is that a description of a vending machine appears in Hero's work. If in two thousand years' time the first reference to a flying machine was in a book written by John Doe, it would not automatically mean that John Doe invented it.  The Smithsonian is normally a WP:RS, but its interpretation of the evidence in the citation given is not accurate. -- ♦Ian Ma c  M♦  (talk to me) 15:39, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm almost certain that you are false... his "holy-water vending machine" was actually used according to a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7BHvN6rZZA watch from 2:50 afterward. Robert M Johnson (talk) 10:46, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the link to this video, which is from a History Channel documentary. The problem here is one of emphasis. The description of the vending machine comes from Heron of Alexandria's book Pneumatica. Some writers prefer to say that Heron described a vending machine rather than actually inventing it. "Who invented x?" can start some long running arguments, but Heron's description of the water dispenser is recognized as the first reliable description of a vending machine. The device was probably built and worked as described, but the incomplete records from ancient times would make it difficult to say for certain that nobody had a similar idea before or independent of Heron.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 11:16, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You are absolutely correct, however, I was under the impression that the conflict had arisen from whether or not he actually created his "vending machine," rather than merely describing it... which he did according to my source. His works were what essentially kept him employed, and without anything being created on his behalf, I feel that he would not have been very successful. Had others, prior to Heron, actually demonstrated (with proof) their works of "vending machines" they would be accredited, but since no such proof exists, Heron should rightfully receive credit (at least in my opinion).  Robert M Johnson (talk) 12:52, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * This is an interesting point. Although it looks simple, the water dispensing machine uses feedback control, which is Heron's signature idea. Since there are no patent office records from ancient times, we will never know exactly who did design this machine. Heron's works are to some extent like Euclid's Elements, because they are a collection of first century AD mathematical and technical knowledge, not all of it necessarily the work of Heron himself. Heron has been described as the father of automation, and the water dispenser shows why.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 15:01, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Euclid and Heron both, I'm certain, were plagiarists (at least by today's standards). Like Euclid, Heron has been accredited due to, in your own words, a lack of "patent office records from ancient times." I do believe that Heron, himself, did improve on several methods of others, but exactly "who" those others were is almost indeterminable. Robert M Johnson (talk) 13:46, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Clarification needed
"Vending machines in the commonwealth are in decline" - which Commonwealth? Massachusetts? Australia? Of Nations? It needs to be specified. 86.149.2.192 (talk) 00:24, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Dildos, umbrellas, ice cream and coffee
An editor added "dildos, umbrella, ice cream and coffee" to the list of products sold in Japanese vending machines. While this fact may or may not be true, there is no source given for these items, so I am removing them. This entire article is woefully lacking in reliable sources. Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 04:37, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

No NO NO NO!!ice cream vending machines are real so are coffee vending machines!!! but i didn't see any dildo and umbrella vending machines here in japan —Preceding unsigned comment added by St777n (talk • contribs) 14:32, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Innovations
My community college has beverage vending machines with a special "arm" of sorts that rises up to the level your selected drink is on and catches it. The arm is at an angle so that the drink slides down as the arm moves up/down to dispense it through a door on the side of the machine where it falls neatly into a bottle-shaped door to be claimed by the purchaser. I'd add this to "Innovations," but I don't have any valid sources to site other than my own personal experience. --DanMat6288 (talk) 20:36, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Environmental
It should be stated that these machines are on 24 hours a day, using a lot of power, usually keeping things cold by refrigeration. If many are located in a room, typically a motel or hotel, that area becomes hot. Also, the noise that occurs when delivering the items and the noise of the people surrounding the machines at any time of day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.106.179.115 (talk) 09:03, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Good point - got any good references? Here are a few misc references, but could use a better overview.     Zodon (talk) 08:36, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

There is a vending machine near my neighborhood that delivers water that it filters itself from tap water with a high quality professional water filter. It gets regularly inspected by the city. Of course, you have to bring your own bottles. For a variety of reasons (lack of transportation, wasted bottles, etc.) this is much better for the environment than bottled water. Bostoner (talk) 02:42, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

1cate
An anonymous editor deleted a tag that said { { cite } }, with the comment getting rid of these stupid check 1cate references. Does anybody know what the tag was supposed to do and what 1cate means? In puzzlement, GeorgeLouis (talk) 18:40, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

If the { { cite } } is supposed to be there, revert it. Chevymontecarlo. 17:31, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

"500 won coin which there was not"?
"the Korean 500 won coin which there was not was forged as 500 yen coin" I don't understand what this is supposed to mean - a non-existing, 500-won coin was forged as a 500-yen coin? Can someone please clarify? Tjunier (talk) 10:17, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

TV
is missing. I have seen several examples of TV sets (along with a seat) operated with coins were placed in public places (e.g. long distance bus stations). Could s/o pl. research the subject and add it to the article? Thanks, --Scriberius (talk) 07:41, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Marijuana vending machine
A merge to medical cannabis has been proposed. I encourage you to weigh in and get it resolved so that we can remove the unsightly template at the top of medical cannabis as soon as possible.

Please see: Talk:Marijuana_vending_machine

Many thanks, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:55, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Honor System
Quote: "A customer could open the box and take all of the newspapers or, for the benefit of other customers, leave all of the newspapers outside of the box, slowly return the door to an unlatched position, or block the door from fully closing, each of which are frequently discouraged, sometimes by a security clamp. The success of such machines is predicated on the assumption that the customer will be honest (hence the nickname "honor box"), and need only one copy."

I knew a fellow who claimed that he had a dishonest source for his daily carfare downtown: He'd put one (1) quarter in the newspaper vending machine, take out all the papers, and stand there in the street by his bus stop hawking them, just as the newsboys of old. (You know: Getcha paper here! Read all about it!  Only twenty-five cents!) He'd sell the papers to passing drivers until his bus came by, at which point he'd dump the remainder in the trash and get aboard. I'll bet that the publishers loved that!

I recall that, sometime in the late 1970s, Columbia SC changed to newer vending machines, geared to stop this sort of thing. On these, you slid coins into a slot and then pulled on a rope, and one (1) copy of the daily paper slid out to you. In theory. In practice, the papers seemed to get jammed in the slot a lot. Before too long, every machine in town seemed to have a ripped and shredded newspaper crammed in its dispensing slot. Public relations, as well as sales must have tapered off greatly. I'll bet they lost lots of money on the deal. Eventually, they brought back the old-style honor system machines.

The article might benefit from some coverage of this topic, if it can be documented. WHPratt (talk) 17:36, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Schools
At first sight, citation number 13 looks like it would be an article about fighting obesity in schools. It's actually a link to www.healthyvending.com owned by H.U.M.A.N Healthy Vending. By wikipedia policy, this should be considered spam or an advertisement and removed. I'm removing this link. Anyone in opposition? 23.30.60.249 (talk) 20:01, 15 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Agreed, the link at healthyvending.com fails WP:EL by a wide margin. It has no substantial content and is basically commercial.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 20:17, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Australian vending machines
I removed the entry on Australian vending machines dispensing gemstones which had no citation. Not only have I never seen one, I couldn't find any reference to the online other than what was written here copy pasted word for word around a bunch of sites, making me doubt authenticity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.233.95.203 (talk) 08:22, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

May 2014 tagging
Re this edit: tagging usually requires an explanation on the talk page of what the problem is and how to go about fixing it. It is unclear why the article was tagged with Template:Rough translation because the prose is not appallingly bad or choppy, which is a common feature of computer translation. Likewise, the use of Template:Incoherent and Template:Update is unexplained. All these tags say is "An editor thinks there may be something wrong here, but can't be bothered to explain what it is in detail and wants somebody else to do it anyway."-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 05:51, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed
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