Talk:Venetian Left (2013)

Requested move 7 April 2022

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The result of the move request was: No consensus. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  03:42, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Venetian Left (2013) → Sanca Veneta – (or simply "Sanca"). The name of the party is not translated in any source and I believe that the title in the original language should be kept, thus allowing natural disambiguation with the other party whose translated name is the same. Scia Della Cometa (talk) 19:18, 7 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Turnagra (talk) 20:28, 15 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose. I find this proposal quite strange, as "Venetian Left" is the official name of the party in English. This party is so international in its character that it is probably one of the few parties in Veneto, let alone Italy, to have an English official name and an English Twitter account (see https://twitter.com/sancaveneta). There is no problem with disambiguation, as the two articles are already disambiguated: Venetian Left (2013) and Venetian Left (2015). I am confident that the proponent will drop the proposal. --Checco (talk) 14:54, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. It may say "Sanca Veneta - Venetian Left" on its Twitter account, but that is irrelevant to whether the name is commonly seen in English in English-language sources. There is no need to translate foreign names for the hell of it. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:39, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Following your reasoning, also parties having an official English name should have articles named after their original-language name: this would be a sea-change for Wikipedia and, basically, a departure from both rules and customs. --Checco (talk) 18:10, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose, from the point of view that it seems that the party has given itself an official (or as near to official as possible) English language title on its social media.--Autospark (talk) 14:51, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Notability of the subject
Hi, I have several doubts that the subject is notable enough to deserve its own article in Wikipedia. Here are my main concerns: 1) The best result achieved by the party is a mere 0.1% in a regional election, without electing any counselor; 2) It is stated that the party presented one of its member (Andrea Cordioli) in the municipal election of Villafranca di Verona. However, the fact that Cordioli was a member of the party is supported only by a Facebook post from the party itself. I couldn't find any other independent secondary sources supporting this claim. 3) The names of the first and current leaders of the party aren't supported by any source. I couldn't find these names associated with the party in any other independent secondary sources. The same is applicable to the members elected in EFAY's board. 4) In a now deleted sentence, it was stated that the party "maintained relations" with other parties (chiefly PD). This was limited to having somebody participating in a single debate with an MP of the PD... 5) The remaining information lean toward trivial. I don't see the importance of informing that the "party has celebrated both Liberation Day and the Feast of Saint Mark, patron of Veneto, in Venice on 25 April, every year"... Is it so uncommon to do this in Venice or anywhere else in Italy? P1221 (talk) 08:47, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * 1) True
 * 2) The fact that Andrea Cordioli is a member of Sanca Veneta is supported by a number of external sources. Such as this one: https://www.limesonline.com/cartaceo/catalunya-dreaming-la-fabbricazione-dellidentita-del-veneto
 * 3) Here you can find an external source stating that Muzzolon is SV's president: https://www.vipiu.it/leggi/8-marzo-muzzolon-sanca-veneta-non-fiori-ma-posti-di-lavoro-parita-salario-aiuti-per-gestire-famiglia/ and for what concerns the members in the EFAY bureau, I've added the relevant sources to the page. SV has communicated about Cavallaro on their facebook page, but apparently EFAY website management is quite slow.
 * 4) Fair
 * 5) It's quite uncommon and quite political as far as I know, not sure about the relevance. 138.251.229.168 (talk) 11:35, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * By the way. This might also be an interesting source: https://www.lavocedelnord.net/2019/03/08/sanca-lindipendenza-veneta-a-sinistra/
 * Both for what concerns their manifesto, and the fact that they invented the 'Gonfaleno' which, if you attend prides, you'll know has become a pretty stable presence in that kind of events. 138.251.229.168 (talk) 11:50, 14 October 2022 (UTC)