Talk:Venezuelan bolívar/Archives/2012

English plural
A Google search will reveal that bolivars is way, way more common than bolívares. Also, the accent marks throughout the article are pedantic and annoying and mleh. &mdash;Wiki Wikardo 08:57, Christmas 2005 (UTC)

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Merge from Bolívar fuerte
Isn't bolívar fuerte "strong bolívar". If so, then the unit name is actually the same. So by convention, shouldn't the new article be merged back here? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 16:44, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, yes and yes. — Nightstallion 23:23, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

The article doesn't look good, should be demerged or overhauled.Enlil Ninlil (talk) 03:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * So, since it is now Bolivar Fuerte (Strong Bolivar), should we move this page to Venezuelan Strong Bolivar? Arbiteroftruth (talk) 05:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Generally it the currency has a difference in name, like mark, rentenmark, reichsmark, deutschmark we would. We should see what other people believe. Enlil Ninlil (talk) 08:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Our policy up to now has been that the new name is only used in the article title if it is actually reflected on the bank notes and coins -- that's why the Romanian new leu is at Romanian leu, as the actual currency states it's called "leu", not "new leu". The same applies here: the currency specifies it's still called "bolívar", not "bolívar fuerte". — Nightstallion 16:30, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Confusing
I'm not an expert on economics, but something seems wrong here. The first two sentences of the article read, "The bolívar fuerte (plural: bolívares fuertes, ISO 4217 code: VEF; locally abbreviated as Bs. F) is the new currency of Venezuela since January 1, 2008. It is subdivided into 100 céntimos. [1]" (The citation doesn't say a thing about céntimos by the way) And then later on in the article, about the old bolívar it says, "The bolívar (plural: bolívares, ISO 4217 code: VEB; locally abbreviated as Bs.) was the currency of Venezuela between 1879 and 2007. It was subdivided into 100 céntimos." So the article in its current form says that both in the past and right now, before and after the change, that the bolívar used/uses 100 céntimos. --Tocino 23:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Exactly. And? What's the problem? — Nightstallion 12:38, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If that should be your question: Yes, of course the subdivisions have the same name -- that's almost always the case when countries revaluate their currencies. — Nightstallion 12:39, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The article says that the old bolívar was subdivided by 100 céntimos. The article also says the new bolívar fuerte is subdivided into 100 céntimos. They're both divided by 100 céntimos according to the article. So what is the change? Is it just the name? Or is one divided by 1000 céntimos instead of 100? --Tocino 06:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The change is that 1 VEF is worth 1,000 VEB. — Nightstallion 20:08, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You can view it as if the Bolivar Fuerte is subdivided into 100 céntimos "fuertes" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.26.163.71 (talk) 22:50, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * One of the "strong" centimos is worth 10 of the old bolivares. There's no need to specify "centimo fuerte" because the old centimo had long since fallen out of use, 10 bolivares being the smallest coin in use at the time of the changeover. 70.43.43.38 (talk) 21:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Reorganization
This article needs reorganizing to properly merge the two articles. However, before doing so, we need to decide on the proper name for the new currency. The coins and banknotes do not use the name bolívar fuerte, just bolívar. Which is it? Dove1950 (talk) 22:27, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe the article should be titled Bolívar fuerte as that is now the official name of the currency. The article needs a history of the Bolívar fuerte and in that section it would explain about its old name and how it was different. --Tocino 06:51, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If the correct name of the currency is the bolívar fuerte, the article should be Venezuelan bolívar fuerte. What evidence is there that bolívar fuerte is the correct name? Dove1950 (talk) 15:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Up to now our standard has been to use the name utilised on the notes and coins -- I see no reson to change this, so it should be Venezuelan bolívar. — Nightstallion 20:09, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I use Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Numismatics and cleaned up a bit. Yugoslav dinar and Romanian leu are my templates. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 21:22, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 18:02, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Billete 5000 bolívares reverso nuevo.jpg
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BetacommandBot (talk) 18:04, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Billete 5000 bolívares reverso.jpg
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Fair use rationale for Image:Billete 50000 bolívares anverso.jpg
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BetacommandBot (talk) 18:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Billete 50000 bolívares reverso.jpg
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BetacommandBot (talk) 18:07, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Billete 1000 bolívares anverso nuevo.jpg
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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:11, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Billete 1000 bolívares anverso.jpg
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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Billete 1000 bolívares reverso nuevo.jpg
Image:Billete 1000 bolívares reverso nuevo.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Bolivares.png
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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:13, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

12½ Céntimos Coin
Any ideas why a 12½ céntimos coins was issued? Q43 (talk) 19:14, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * There used to be 12½ céntimos coins which replaced the 5 centavo coins of the venezolano. These were used up to the 1960s or 1970s. Could the new ones be because of some residual popularity? Dove1950 (talk) 22:55, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

New Coins And Banknotes Of Higher Values
According to the infobox, the BsF 500 banknote is rarely used, but the article implies that there is no banknote of higher value than BsF 100. Also, according to the infobox, the coins of 2 and 5 bolivars are frequently used, but the article implies that there are no such coins. It seems to me that the high inflation has made it necessary to issue new coins and banknotes of higher values. If this is the case indeed, the article needs to be modified accordingly. Q43 (talk) 21:49, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * It should be changed as there is no such evidence to support the infobox. Enlil Ninlil (talk) 05:56, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

parallel exchange rate.
I edited the article to update the parallel exchange rate. The value of 7.0 to 1 cited in the article is a year and a half out of date. My change was reverted because my source for the current rate is hosted on blogspot.com: http://venezuelafx.blogspot.com/. There are other sources but everything I've seen is blog-like. In the meantime I have updated the article to reflect the fact that the cited statistic is out of date, and that the article now contains no citations for information on the current exchange rate (where it "hovers"---present tense---for example). Please don't blindly revert the edit. Discuss changes here instead, please. 140.180.163.6 (talk) 03:33, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Fixed Exchange Rate Change
I added the new exchange rate for the bolivar, but it may need to be expanded/worked on a bit. Chuchaqui (talk) 18:48, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

In the past

 * 100 Centavos = 8 Reales = 1 Peso
 * 100 Centimos = 1 Bolivar Böri (talk) 15:16, 15 February 2012 (UTC)