Talk:Venice, Los Angeles

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The US Postal Service recognizes Venice as not being part of Los Angeles. Annexation occurred in the early 1930s and not 1904. The Venice secession movement is Los Angeles' oldest and prior to the Valley secession campaign it was the most well known. - A Venetian


 * I agree; I live here and drive, too - and the only place in Venice I ever see congestion is Route 1/Lincoln, and that traffic has little to do with Venice itself. This should be changed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.168.51.139 (talk) 19:50, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I added the information re Shoreline Crips to flesh out the information about Oakwood. Also, I do not think of Venice as being particularly congested. Other then on beach days traffic to and from Venice is moderate. Trust me I drive hear everyday.--Veniceslug1 03:29, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Actually, Venice was consolidated into the City of Los Angeles on Nov. 25, 1925  Legalalien (talk) 23:36, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, thank you for getting that cleared up. Does anyone mind if I remove the right-alignment on the Table of Contents (ToC)? Took me quite a while to figure out where it was. Tom 20:47, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Women in Recovery
Is this organization notable enough to warrant a mention in the Venice, Los Angeles article? Even though it's a non-profit, its inclusion here seems a bit like an advertisement to me. Norvy 13:03, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Removed. Norvy 18:43, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Homes based on Political Contributions
Used fundrace.org to find other famous names in Venice. Fitch 21:11, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

lifeguards
Seems to me that the section about the LA county lifeguards should be on its own page, since much of the information there isn't specifically about venice.. Venicebeach 21:13, 4 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's grown to the point that it's ready to be on it's own. I recommend Los Angeles County Fire Department Lifeguard Division, a ponderous but accurate title. Go for it. Cheers, -Willmcw 22:06, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes. When will this happen? Last discussion about his was 2005! Five 5 fingers 8:38, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

First paragraph: "Venice Beach is the headquarters of the Lifeguard Division of the Los Angeles County Fire Department. It is located at 2300 Ocean Front Walk. It is the nation's largest ocean lifeguard organization with over 200 full-time and 700 part-time or seasonal lifeguards. Third paragraph: "Lifeguard Division employs 120 full-time and 600 seasonal lifeguards" Resolve discrepancy? 207.171.191.60 (talk) 15:31, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Missing is some of the colorful Beatnik / Hippie history
In the '50's, '60's and '70's Venice was known for its bohemian, artsy, anti-establishment culture. This boomed particularly in the Hippie period between '66 and '72.

Things I remember about that era:

'Ocean Park pier, closed for over a year prior to being reopened as Pacific Ocean Park 'Up to late '60's - the open trams that ran from Santa Monica Pier to Windward '64 (?) Aragon Ballroom converted to a skating rink '65, Venice West Coffee House closes '65, No War Toys Sandpile with Joan Baez '69 - '72 Venice Canal Festival '69 - local beachfront concerts at the A&W, players like early James Taylor '70's - Venice P.D. moves to Marina, old Venice P.D. jail becomes kind of a museum & movie site

Attractions and neighborhoods needs canals
How 'bout a section in Attractions and neighborhoods about the canals, that's a big attraction. 'cept all I could say is, "Built by Abbott Kinney… uhhh…" —Fitch 00:09, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Film in Venice
A skateboard movie Thrashin with Josh Brolin was film in Venice.

Venice beach needs more detail
Almost nothing is said about Venice Beach counter culture atmospher. I suggest the following but it was removed.

Venice Beach is well known for its ecliptic environment. Venice Beach has a gritty appearance and is known for showing a diversity of cultures and races which sets it apart from it neighboring yuppie beaches. Known for being popular with the eccentric and those inclined to counter culture, Venice is also host to numerous street performers, tattoo shops, psychic readers, head shops, alternative clothing shop, drum circle, skate dancing, and basket ball, graffiti pit among other.


 * First off, Venice is not "ecliptic", nor is it gritty. Second, some of this material is already covered in the preceding paragraph. Third, these are your opinions (unless you can cite someone for all of these "knowns"). Lastly, the grammar is poor. -Will Beback 21:17, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm agree with the first comment, more should be said about Venice Beach.. And sure Venice is gritty, it sure aint pretty. Opinions and grammar aside, Venice is quite different from others beaches and deserves a better description about it.

I am on Venice beach 4 days a week and there is no place like venice
 * Venice's alleys are gritty, and Oakwood and East Venice still have their grit, but the Boardwalk could no longer be said to be "gritty" like it was in the 1970s or 1980s.

Adding Venice Forum, deleting Oakwood "resisting" gentrification.
I added the Venice Forum, and online resource for news about Venice. I deleted the section about Oakwood "resisting" gentrification. It has not. I can walk down the street and see half the houses are either for sale or being torn down to make way for mini-mansions. In addition, the organizations listed in that section either have absolutely nothing to do with gentrification (one is made up of boardwalk performers), is non-existant, or the description violates Wikipedia's ideal of neutrality.


 * That section was referenced with 3rd-party sources. Sources trump personal experience. Please stop deleting it. Also, forums aren't considered suitable links. Please stop adding it. ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 20:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Here's are some third party sources - http://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=4124&IssueNum=165 From this article you'll see that the Venice Beach Free Expression Protection Working Group is an organization made up of boardwalk performers and has nothing to do with gentrification in Oakwood.

http://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=362&IssueNum=22 This is an LA Citybeat article about how gentrification in Oakwood has fundementally changed Venice gang culture.

Additional edits.....
I removed, "Many white elderly residents have lost their homes and been forced into convalescence homes, or into living homeless in cars on vacant lots, while new, affluent residents have built prominent, modern homes in the area."

This is completely unsubstantiated and violates wikipedia nuetrality. Elderly residents who owned their own homes and moved have sold those homes for hundreds of thousands more than they paid for them. Elderly and disabled renters have often received substantial relocation packages (it's been reported that the Lincoln Place tenants received upwards of $30,000 to move). Issues of affordable housing and homelessness are city-wide issues and not unique to Venice.

I removed, "Lincoln Place, was built nearby by the Housing Authority of the City of Los Angeles to accommodate GI's returning from the war and in need of affordable housing. It later came to house working class families of many ethnicities, including a large contingent of African American residents." In fact, Lincoln Place was a red-lined community, like much of LA. African American and other people of color were not allowed to rent in Lincoln Place until well into the 1960's, and even then this was quite rare.

I added, "Only 13 tenants remain, all of them elderly or disabled." This information was provided by Councilman Bill Rosendahl's office.

Lincoln Place is NOT in Oakwood......
It's east of Lincoln Blvd., so I moved it to the "East Venice" section. Oakwood is west of Lincoln Blvd, bordered by Main st., Rose Ave. and California Ave.

More information is needed to the Milwood neighborhood.
It said on the article that it's south of Oakwood, but what are the specific boundaries to the area? Agtax 11:27, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Between California Ave. on the north, Venice Blvd. on the south, Lincoln Blvd. on the east and Abbott Kinney on the west. It is south of the Oakwood neighborhood of Venice, and north of the President's Row neighborhood of Venice.   It does have similarities to Oakwood but has been more gentrified, probably due to the lack of housing projects and closer proximity to South Venice, Marina Del Rey, and the canals.

Once upon a time, Milwood Avenue in the 800 block was probably the gateway to the neighborhood. This is a particularly wide boulevard with long rows of tall palm trees. Milwood Avenue today has probably the highest concentration of 21st Century modern architecture in Venice. It is only 4 blocks long.

Notable residents and businesses
I removed reference to Frank Gehry's plan to build his personal residence in Venice. It was announced in the L.A. Times on March 1, 2009 that he "abandoned plans to build a house for himself and his family on three contiguous lots in Venice." Gehry has resided in a bungalow on 22nd Street in Santa Monica since the late 1970's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by M23 (talk • contribs) 08:05, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Walter Thompson
Where did this information on Walter Thompson and early Venice "locals" come from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.246.76.188 (talk) 03:31, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Removed April 10, 2009 entry. Bogus.Emargie (talk) 06:41, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Van Nuys, Los Angeles, California which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RM bot 19:45, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Venice in the media
Would anyone mind if we split the lengthy "Venice in the media" material into a standalone article? My main concern is that it's all unsourced.  Will Beback   talk    10:42, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm ready to split it. There seems to be no strong objection.  You want to do the honors or should I?&mdash; alf.laylah.wa.laylah (talk) 03:34, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Go for it.   Will Beback    talk    04:57, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I've been thinking about it, though, and it seems as if it might be better to just delete all the unsourced stuff per WP:POPCULTURE, except for the few films that actually satisfy it, like the Chaplin ones, which can be sourced. I don't actually fancy the idea of creating a list article with absolutely no sources, and I'm not much in the mood to find sources for most of the crap on the list now.  So if there's no objection here in a few days, I'll just start deleting stuff from here, and anyone who thinks we need a list with what's taken out can make a new article using the article history. The books I think should be split into a further reading section and trimmed down too.  I'm going to go ahead and do that now.&mdash; alf.laylah.wa.laylah (talk) 05:02, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Error in LAT source that Eames material is cited to
There's probably nothing to be done about it, but the Times article that says that Abbott Kinney Blvd was "part of Washington Blvd" is wrong. It was formerly West Washington Blvd, which was a different street altogether from Washington Blvd. Just thought I'd note it here.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 18:42, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Relation to Santa Monica
Venice was never part of Santa Monica, was it? I removed such a claim at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Venice,_Los_Angeles&diff=next&oldid=605235049. GeorgeLouis (talk) 17:19, 26 May 2014 (UTC)


 * It seems quite complicated to sort out. First, the source that it was formerly cited to,, actually says explicitly that Venice was part of Santa Monica.  However, I can't find anything in the LAT about this supposed 1911 election, and in fact there's an article from 1911 that discusses a proposal to merge Ocean Park and Santa Monica into a single municipality.  That's here: GREATER CITY NOW PLANNED.: Would Weld Tiny Towns Into Big Municipality; Sentiment Grows in Favor of the Project; Chamber of Commerce Back of Proposition. Los Angeles Times 29 May 1911: II6. This states explicitly that Ocean Park was a separate municipality from Santa Monica at that time, and it's clear from a zillion sources that Venice was officially known as Ocean Park at the time.  In fact they explicitly changed the name to Venice in May 1911.  Perhaps this is the election Elayne Alexander is thinking of?  That's here: WILL CALL TOWN VENICE.: Electors of Ocean Park Determine to Make Change in the Nomenclature of Their City--Special Election Held Yesterday. Los Angeles Times (1886-1922) 30 May 1911: I14..   On the other hand, in 1904 Ocean Park was trying to annex parts of Santa Monica, see here: OCEAN PARK.: DIGGING FOR "VENICE." CUT-OFF CARS SOON. THEY'RE BUILDING. HIGHER LICENSE. MORE TERRITORY. Los Angeles Times (1886-1922) 07 July 1904: A9.  This article makes it seem extremely unlikely that Ocean Park/Venice was part of Santa Monica at that time because the part they were trying to annex was between Navy and Marine streets, and that area is presently part of Santa Monica.  On the other other hand, this: OCEAN PARK.: A. KINNEY'S HOBBY. PIER SCHEME. OCEAN PARK NOTES. Los Angeles Times (1886-1922) 18 Apr 1904: 15 says explicitly that by 1904 there had been three distinct areas called "Ocean Park," one of which, by 1904, was part of Santa Monica, and Kinney's, different from that one, would be the fourth.  My guess therefore is that Elayne Alexander got confused about which Ocean Park was which and also about whatever happened in 1911.  I can't prove it, though.  And I don't have the heart to dig through any more of these old articles because no matter what kind of search terms I try I invariably end up with 95% society notes about cotillions and such-like.  Sigh...&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 19:31, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Source for Kinney and Bouck column faces
I was unable to find the original reference source for the faces. The closest I could come was a mention or an original source published in the January 2nd, 1975 edition of The Argonaut, in an article titled “The face on Windward Avenue" by Tom Moran.

If anyone is able to locate this article, and add it to the references, that would be most appreciated! &mdash; Safety Cap (talk) 18:43, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Tobacco millionaire
Kinney made his fortune in selling tobacco, as explained in his article. He wasn't a developer until he already had a bunch of money. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 21:04, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Venice Art Walls
With the creation of Venice Art Walls, we might want to trim the Venice,_Los_Angeles section. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:12, 21 February 2023 (UTC)