Talk:Venus (Shocking Blue song)/Archive 1

Bananarama sleeve
I have upload Bananarama Venus cover pic. This image is better than other. EncicloCharlie 01:10 22 December 2007 —Preceding comment was added at 23:10, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Explain why it is better? There are several Bananarama singles covers that have been in WP for a long time.  Yours is just slightly larger.  What is the purpose for changing to this new one? - eo (talk) 00:08, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

If there is a image to illustrate an article... Can anybody change this pic? I think these new images have high resolution and they can use for Fair use. Can they be used? EncicloCharlie —Preceding comment was added at 00:42, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Bananarama advert
I´ve inserted an advert. Ad was used to publicity Bananarama single. This image doesn't exit on Wikipedia. I think it's Fair Use. Will you delete it too? EncicloCharlie 03:36 22 December 2007 —Preceding comment was added at 01:36, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Copyrighted images are NOT fair use. Also, a lower resolution is preferred.  Since the other Bananarama singles cover images have been in place for months now, I'm just not understanding why a new one is needed. - eo (talk) 02:27, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

I think my cover photos have higher resolution than others (and they don´t violate Fair Use). I thought that images could be changed. I´m sorry. When I read any article, I´d like to see best images. Also, I have scanned other Bananarama adverts, but if I show them, they will be to delete. Won't they? EncicloCharlie 03:41, 22 December 2007
 * I would suggest reading the WP:FU policy. Anything that is copyrighted is NOT fair use. - eo (talk) 03:56, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Shocking Blue Venus.jpg
Image:Shocking Blue Venus.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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Fair use rationale for Image:Banana v.jpg
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Fair use rationale for Image:Bananarama Venus picture disc.jpg
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Image copyright problem with Image:Shocking Blue - Venus (Original) excerpt.ogg
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Lili Ivanova cover
See for yourself:  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.130.136.199 (talk) 00:24, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

"Don Pablos Animals version"
I've seen the sleeve and label of the record/CD of this version, and the band Shocking Blue is credited for all tracks. Don Pablos Animals are credited for the mix, not the track. While logically an instrumental version in which Shocking Blue did not play the instruments would be credited to a different artist, since neither the sleeve nor the label of the actual single indicates that Don Pablos Animals is anything but a producer/remixer, technically it seems the track should be credited to Shocking Blue. Given that their version is apparently featured as a sample, this was enough for the record company to credit Shocking Blue with each track on the album. For this reason, unless there is some other authoritative and citable reference, and considering that the link a previous editor has given to Discogs.com supports my assessment and not the assessment in this article, I am changing the mention. Please discuss this issue here on this talk page and give detailed information and links if it seems there is valid reason to revert to the previous assessment. Thanks, Abrazame (talk) 11:49, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * In thinking about this further, I'm even more confused by the claims with regard to this version. The UK pop charts measure sales only, and do not factor in any degree of airplay whatsoever.  The Australian version shown in the link features four mixes, none of which are credited to Don Pablos Animals; three other examples featured at Discogs.com, the link the previous editor used, features several mixes of the song, some including the DPA mix.  How, then, can someone claim that it was a particular version, the instrumental version, which charted?  Even if it was the instrumental version which got the most airplay in 1990, this cannot be claimed in the article as it is unsupported by the UK chart formulation and by the link cited.
 * As the Australian single in the citation by a previous editor does not include the Don Pablos Animals, it is not really an appropriate link for the article. I'm removing it but editors can access it by selecting the previous version to my edit from the "history" section.
 * Of course, even if a citation can be given that Don Pablos Animals was intended to have been credited as the artist on the single (which it was not in the Australian, U.S. and German versions I've seen) instead of the remixer, this version was not the "most successful cover version" in any territory except the UK. If someone familiar with the single responds, could you tell me here if the "original version" on the single is the original Shocking Blue recording from 1969, or a primary version of the 1990 sample-fueled version?  Thanks, Abrazame (talk) 12:20, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Cover of "Venus" by 1960s-70s era Cambodian psychedelic artist Sin Sisamouth...
...exists, and it is awesome. Perhaps it should be included in the "covers" section? I found it on a compilation called "Cambodian Psych-Out", put out by Defective Records. -David 70.137.167.58 09:17, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I've heard it and it's terrific! But it's definitely a woman's voice singing.  Sisamouth was a man.  Is it possible the artist on this version is Ros Sereysothea?  Could someone find a definitive source for the artist credit?  The back card of the Cambodian Psych-Out CD doesn't indicate which artist performs which track.  I'd love to include the mention in the article.  Abrazame (talk) 20:25, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Beavis and Butthead
I rember this song was featured in an ep. of Beavis and Butthead, is this worth a mention as a cultral reference? If so then I'll find out which episode it was. Elcaballooscuro (talk) 06:14, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Wow, look at this! (The Big 3 connection)
Oh! Susanna (Banjo On My Knee)

http://music-facts.ru/music/The_Big_3-The_Banjo_Song.mp3

The Big 3 — The BanjoSong (1963).

Please, insert this in article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.253.67.200 (talk) 15:53, 29 September 2009 (UTC)


 * This is already mentioned in the article. (2nd paragraph of the Shocking Blue section)  I'm ordinarily ambivalent about claims that one song sounds like another.  There are only 12 tones in Western music, and a limited number of patterns that sound pleasing to the ear.  A huge number of songs recycle the same chord progressions, and I'd venture to guess it's impossible to find a melody of two or four measures that hasn't already been used elsewhere, somewhere down through the ages (and more likely three months ago).


 * However, Shocking Blue's psychedelic trappings notwithstanding, the two songs are virtually identical in melody, hook, harmonies, cadence, arrangement and even the scream. If this were to happen today, Van Leeuwen would probably bring Tim Rose into the recording session and credit him.  If it were to have happened ten years ago, Van Leeuwen would have credited Rose as co-writer.  If it were to have happened twenty years ago, he would have been sued.  In all those eras, this hugely successful song would have earned Tim Rose and The Big 3 a good deal of renewed interest and a great deal of money.  But the music business was very different forty years ago and people stole freely from one another all the time with impunity.  It's reasonable to call it an homage if you note it somehow, which it doesn't seem like they did at the time.


 * I've done a 15-minute search and there's a great deal of non-notable mentions out there. Of these two links   I think probably only the first rises to a reasonable sources, and that only to articulate that it sounds alike, not that Van Leeuwen was influenced.  A few mention that Van Leeuwen admitted to "being influenced by" the song, but I haven't yet found an indication of the forum of his admission (Radio interview?  Newspaper interview?).  That would be very helpful to reference the section in the article, and even spin it off into its own paragraph and note it in the lead.  Otherwise, I support retaining the mention as is, with a cite tag, in anticipation of such.  If anybody can post a WP:Reliable source where either Van Leeuwen or a professional writer speaks about the connection, I'd be happy to put it into the article.  Thanks, Abrazame (talk) 20:45, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

shocking+blue+susanna may be useful, I have no time right now to look through it. --Yms (talk) 21:08, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Here is some relevant blog page, see the 1st comment describing a Dutch talk show. Here is this show on video (yes, in Dutch), here is the "pure" video from that page, the topic starts at 34:17. Unfortunately, I don't quite understand Dutch. The Dutch wiki article refers to this page which is missing. --Yms (talk) 05:51, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

"She's goddess" ???
According to the different internet collections of song lyrics, the first line of chorus always be "She's got it". Why it has been replaced by that variant in the article? --85.92.19.249 (talk) 10:26, 17 February 2011 (UTC) Why i