Talk:Venus in Furs

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Maybe there shud be a section about the popular reference since then. Such as the Velevet Underground song of the same name, or Marilyn Mansons song "Doll-Dagga Buzz-Buzz Ziggety-Zag" which contains the lyrics 'We got our "Venus not in furs" but "in Uniforms"'???

Summary
I removed this; it's inaccurate, more so than the rest of the summary:

"At the end of the book, Severin, humiliated by Wanda's new lover, ceases to desire to submit, stating that men should dominate women until the time when women are equal to men in education and rights: an ending that can be viewed as both misogynist and feminist."

Relevant part of the book:

''"[T]he moral?"

''"That woman, as nature has created her and as man is at present educating her, is his enemy. She can only be his slave or his despot, but never his companion. This she can become only when she has the same rights as he, and is his equal in education and work.

''"At present we have only the choice of being hammer or anvil, and I was the kind of donkey who let a woman make a slave of him, do you understand?

"The moral of the tale is this: whoever allows himself to be whipped, deserves to be whipped."

Njál 17:55, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Senso
I don't see a strong connection between this novel and Senso. Severin willingly and knowingly sets up the situation with Wanda, over her reservations. Livia embarks on an extramarital affair with Remigio, and overcoming her romantic illusions is a big part of the plot. Also, VIF ends with Wanda deliberately abandoning Severin to cure him of his masochistic ways. Senso ends with Livia seeing the reality of her lover and getting bloody revenge.

What separates Venus in Furs from other stories of tormented love is that Severin consciously and explicitly wants to be tortured by his lover. Livia doesn't want to be mistreated, at least not consciously. I suggest there's no greater connection between Venus in Furs and Senso than any other story of torturous love. --Mightyfastpig 01:31, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Remove the cover
It's not the original cover art, what's the point of showing it here? And the cover artist... Gustav Klimt, - one may be deceived that Klimt designed the cover for Venus in Furs. So at least remove the cover artist - he was not the designer of that edition.--Klaus Bertow 21:34, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I was about to say the same thing about Klimt when I noticed you'd beaten me to it. Klimt is not the 'Cover Artist' for Venus in Furs - he was eight years old when it was first published - it just happens that part of one of his paintings appears on the cover of that particular edition. I've removed that claim from the info box. Don't really see the problem with having a picture of a modern edition there, though. SpaceyHopper 12:33, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Correction:
Severin wanted to be Wanda's slave because he enjoyed being dominated by women; because he is a masochist. It is not the extremity of his love for her that made him want to be a slave. -- 212.38.141.37 19:13, 8 June 2008
 * Actually, in the story, it gave the impression of being a bit of each. He loved her so much he would rather be her slave than lose her, and at the same time, being her slave echoed his fantasies quite well. --76.89.173.117 (talk) 18:18, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguation?
I added he English new wave band called 'Venus In Furs' to the cultural references. I have only one album by them, called 'Platonic Love'. I don't find a lot of references on the web about them, there's a webpage that has pictures of them from 1985: http://www.vifphotos.i12.com/index.html#anchor43715) and I found this link: http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/venus_in_furs

Anyone mind to do this? I haven't ever had disambiguation Olli.vdl (talk) 22:41, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Gregor
Since when is Gregor a "generic Russia servant's name"? Is this some kind of 19th literary trope which I've missed (in which case a citation is in order) or is it OR (in which case it must be removed)? Bazuz (talk) 11:59, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

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