Talk:Verband der Berufsringer

History disputed
The follow ING was posted to a message board recently. "It has long bothered me that everything that happened in Aut/BRD is automatically attributed to the CWA. A well-known data site even goes back to 1972, which is total bullshit. The CWA as an organised club that held events under the banner did not exist before 1988 event 87, but then only in Austria in Graz and then from 89 in Vienna. Before that, if you read CWA it was merely a title. Otto got the rights to a CWA title that Jan Wilkens had previously held in South Africa in 1977 (not 73 as is often stated on the net). There was also no tournament that is always mentioned here. Otto passed the title on to Don Leo, the date of 01.09.1977 is also incorrect here, I doubt whether there was a fight at all. The reason was that it was of course better for Wanz to win the title from a champion in his home town than to come home with a belt that nobody knows how and where and above all against whom he "won" it. Well DLJ got a good payday and Otto called himself world champion of the CWA from 1978. At that time it was still called the "Canadian Wrestling Association" (it didn't exist, but who cares). Otto defended the title at home at his shows, which he had been organising since 1972 and then mainly in Bremen, where Nico Selenkowitsch saw potential in Otto and built him up as a top European HW. Otto defended the title at home in his shows, which he organised from 1972 onwards and then above all in Bremen, where Nico Selenkowitsch saw potential in Otto and built him up as a top European HW. This was also reflected in the fact that Otto even won a second world championship title in 1978, the title played out in a tournament in Bremen with Nico of the IBV (International Professional Wrestling Federation). The success proved everyone right, Otto thrilled the crowds and Nico was able to fill the halls. However, the events were always organised under IBV, CWA only came into play on the final evening where Otto received a share per spectator in addition to the fee. When Nico resigned in 1987, more or less due to the intrigues of the new management of the Stadthalle in Bremen and other ricochets, Otto took over together with Peter William. The same thing happened in Vienna. After the 1988 tournament, Heinrich Kaiser (who did NOT organise CWA for the VDB) was booted out and Wanz and William also took over Waltz City. Hanover also belonged to Kaiser and the VDB until 90. Then in 1991 a discotheque owner called Jürgen Windolph took over for the VDB. But only for one year, then came Paul Violka and now the CWA with PEter William. Wanz was never an organiser in Hanover. Sure, he got his percentage for the name, but he had nothing to say, only William did. Cities like Karlsruhe, Hamburg and others were never CWA territory. I'm annoyed that I've been doing educational work for years and then, as in this case, everything is simply labelled CWA on various Twitter pages, sorry X or youtube. But it is not. If you're interested, you can read it. Most people don't care, they just stick with CWA." Romomusicfan (talk) 07:49, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Original German post: https://www.moonsault.de/forum/thread/125606-aufkl%C3%A4rung-zur-cwa-catch-wrestling-association Romomusicfan (talk) 08:00, 23 May 2024 (UTC)