Talk:Vergina

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it wasn't a group of nationalists who opposed to the use of the name and the vergina symbol in the flag of FYROM. You should know that in Thessaloniki there was a gothering of 1million people in the center of the City shouting against this. Does this mean that we have 1 million nationalists (almost half the population of northern greece??). No, it is common in greece when you feel you are right you have to express it. nezos

Virtually all Greeks are Greek nationalists, and there is nothing wrong with that. But the rightness or wrongness of any issue is not determined by the size of demonstrations. I happen to think the Greeks were right to protest against the Republic of Macedonia using the Star of Vergina and the White Tower on their flag etc, since this suggested a territorial claim on Greece and was a pointless provocation. But the Greeks were and are wrong to demand that Macedonia not call itself Macedonia. Every country has the right to call itself whatever it likes. Adam 14:07, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Well im half-greek and i really am tired to hear of that discussion anymore. Of course every county would had been worried in the same situation, it mustnt be forgotten that the people in ex-yugoslavia killed each other due to "historical claims of territory". But today i really dont care if fyrom calls it self makedonia or taka-tuka-country or whatsoever. What i was looking for was material on the discussion, whos really buried in the graves, ive read the book of andronikos, who of course inclines it is the the tomb of Philipp B. Michael Pfrommer, Alexander der Große, in contrast, brings up good arguments to attribute the burial site to philipp arrhidaios. Im really disappointed i dont find anything related to that here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.175.51.53 (talk • contribs)

So write something yourself. This is an open-access encyclopaedia. Adam 10:45, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

This latter issue about the attribution has been somewhat taken account of, probably because of the National Geographic article I imagine. I'll try revising this to incorporate more of Borza and P. and other recent research soon. (62.38.216.77 (talk) 14:16, 11 November 2009 (UTC))

/////////////////////////////////////////////// I also agree that there there should be more on the identity of the bodies -- perhaps the best approach would be to discuss the tombs and their contents using neutral phrases (e.g. 'a Macedonian king') and then have a seperate section of the identity of the occupants. You could even have a simple table showing the various proposed identification schemes and their main supporting arguments and references. Most importantly, this needs to be cleaned up for all associated wikipedia pages (on the modern town, the museum, and the various biography pages) as many of these simply reflect the opinion of the author with no reference at all to the controversy. I'd love to do this myself, but I'm afraid I'm no expert on the subject! For reference, a quick google search threw up the following page which has a nice summary of the current state of the argument: http://www.livescience.com/culture/ancient-greece-tomb-alexander-great-philip-ii-100915.html [accessed Jan 20 2011] 83.80.19.190 (talk) 08:12, 20 January 2011 (UTC) Jon Jeffery, Leiden.

See also section
There is no need for a See also section that lists a link already in the body of the article. See Manual of style. Jkelly 00:16, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Coordinates
Adam, are you perhaps unaware of WikiProject Geographical coordinates and Manual of Style (dates and numbers)? It's increasingly common now for Wikipedia articles on geographical localities to include coordinates as an aid to finding places on externally linked maps or satellite views. Saying that "this belongs in an atlas, not an encyclopaedia" is a really bizarre justification for removing them, and it's inconsistent with existing guidelines and practice. On the contrary - it allows this encyclopaedia to reference atlases in a useful way. -- ChrisO 08:21, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

False info
Dear "Macedonia", please, stop trying to make a nationalistic point by inserting false info. First Krste Misirkov, you kept trying to insert that "fact" for weeks, while he was born in a different city altogether, 40km away. Now this. The area was mixed Greek/Bulgarian/Turkish, and the original 19th C Greek church still stands there, and many of the original Greek families live there. Sysin 21:52, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Can someone redirect?
I don't know how to do it, but this should redirect from Verghina and it doesn't. Joey 19:17, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Verghina&redirect=no, which I just created, as an example of how to create a Redirect. Jkelly 19:44, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Aigai/Aegae
I just wanted to hear opinions regarding a split of the article I'm quite determinated to make, so to transfer much material under the new article Aegae. Keeping it here seems a bit like calling Istanbul the capital of the Byzantine emperors, i.e., an anachronism, since Vergina simply didn't exist before the 20th century.--Aldux 10:21, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

The site is called Vergina now, and this article should contain a description of what is at the site now and the history of its discovery and excavation. An article on Aigai would be about the ancient city and what happened there. Adam 11:23, 16 July 2006 (UTC)


 * This is a late reply but better late than never. Aldux is right. The site is not called Vergina now. Vergina is the modern city. The site is still Aigai and whaterver happens at Aigai should go under Aigai. Next year Vergina might be something else. Name changes are frequent in Greece, most notoriously the 2011 changes. Archaeology, ancient history, all belongs under Aigai. Whatever is done to, for, or about Aigai goes under Aigai, and whatever etc Vergina under Vergina.Botteville (talk) 03:10, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Apelles
It is quiet possible that those very skillful wall paintings in Philipp III's tomb there are the last remained works by Apelles. They contain an amazing high level of perspective, mimic, play with light and shade. As Philipp III died in 317bC Apelles was aproximatelly 50 years old.--Christian Meißner83.171.170.29 16:43, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

possible legend?
I deleted this from the article: "Aeaga was home or kingxom of poseidon where he ruled over the sea."

Is this some sort of legend? Can anyone find a source for this or explain if there if some ancient writer made this legend? --Enric Naval (talk) 01:58, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

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Copyright violation
I have trimmed and agressively copyedited the description of the palace, for two reasons: the language was hyperbolic, emotional, and unencyclopedic, and much of it was copied and pasted directly from https://www.aigai.gr/en/archaeological-site-of-aigai/the-palace. Example:


 * Text at www.aigai.gr: "This huge building ... was visible from the whole Macedonian basin; a remarkable landmark, a symbol of power and beauty. A unique building, utterly revolutionary and avant-garde for its time, the palace of Aigai, which was designed for Philip by an ingenious architect –probably Pytheos, known for his contribution to the construction of the Mausoleum at Halicarnassus and to the development of urban planning and the theory of proportion- will become an archetype of all basileia (kingdoms), i.e., the palaces in the Hellenistic world and beyond.


 * Text of this article: "This huge building was visible from the whole Macedonian basin; a remarkable landmark, a symbol of power and beauty. This unique building, utterly revolutionary and avant-garde for its time, was designed for Philip by an ingenious architect (probably Pytheos, known for his contribution to the construction of the Mausoleum at Halicarnassus and to the development of urban planning and the theory of proportion) would become an archetype of all basileia (kingdoms), i.e. the palaces in the Hellenistic world and beyond."

Scholarly sources do exist for this building; the description should not rely on promotional puffery from a single website. Choliamb (talk) 18:18, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Duplication discussion
This section is reserved for discussion on the duplication tag I just put in. Vergina is the recent name of the modern city. Aegae (Macedonia) is the ancient historical site now located in Vergina. Let's make up our minds, do we want the Aegae material split and placed partly in Vergina or do we want the Aegae material under Aegae? This is the second time the issue has been raised in this discussion. Above you will find more complaints. The one I read expresses the editor's determination to separate the two, but I don't see much subsequent separation. There is of course much rewriting of both articles to be done in separation. I notice also above no one is especially happy with the text the way it is, but those are different issues. I join the dissident above in voting for immediate separation and rewriting. After a respectful length of time without opinions I will feel free to do it unless our previous determined editor or someone else acts first. Ciao.Botteville (talk) 02:57, 27 February 2024 (UTC)