Talk:Verona

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Introductory Segment Deficiency
The entirety of this article seems to lack sufficient citation. The beginning section only has one superscript link to a source, and it is a dead end in the reference section, with no verifiable source provided. The introductory segment, which discusses population and geographical area, would be greatly improved with a brief inclusion of city history. This section could include other notable facts or relevant details about Verona which could link to other sections of this article, or other articles. This section's poor presentation and lack of information does not sufficiently overview this city nor serve as a segue into the following sections, which likely hinders this articles rating. Ctardif5 (talk) 07:52, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more - what is the source for the claim (not on the Italian wiki page) that Verona became a Roman colony in 89 BC? Your first source is "Tales of Verona" What the hell? Vince Calegon 17:49, 8 February 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vince Calegon (talk • contribs)

Shakespeare
Two Gentlemen of Verona is predominantly set in Milan, not Verona. They just come from there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.90.15.94 (talk) 12:53, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Relevancy
How is the flood relevant to the introduction? Doesn't that detract from its purpose? Bit too much information about flooding there. Summarize Verona in the intro.

What's going on?
I wish to post a question on the Verona (Italy) talk page, but it keeps being redirected to the Talk:Verona (disambiguation) page, which is where i think my comment is being posted.

This is my question: In the demographics section, where did the info come from?

I would appreciate it if someone could sort both out as i am rather busy at the moment, and also do not how to sort the talk page problem out.

Thanks Stwalkerster 18:47, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * There were page moves in the past and the talk page got separated. Copying this there now. older ≠ wiser 18:56, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

What would you think about changing the page's structure? I'd move up the main sights right after the "History" paragraph. Yellowcar11 (talk) 17:12, 11 November 2020 (CET)

Holy Roman Empire
There is absolutly no mention of Verona's days in the Holy Roman Empire, just a couple of sentences about Charlemange. I find that odd, and hope someone will correct this error. I would, but frankly I dont wanna touch this article.Cheers--Lucius Sempronius Turpio 10:43, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Latin ode
What has become of The "Latin ode of which we shall speak later on"?

M. Hrynick (hrynick@pwless.net) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Coat of arms
I noticed the Italian version of this article has a different, more modern coat of arms pictured. Should this article show that image as well? —Preceding unsigned comment added by L.K (talk • contribs) 21:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Muscial instrument factories
I'm trying to find more information on musical instrument manufacturers in/previously in Verona, especially desidera. Desidera made woodwind and brass instruments including bugles, saxophones and ????

Verona pre world war 2(possibly later) had a good number of musical instrument manufacturers including Desidera, Rampone, Grassi and Stowasser. Only Rampone continues to make instruments in Verona.

from http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?t=74642 "Leonildo Desidera and sons was a prized factory from Verona during the fascist era which took over the well-known Stowasser You can find some information on Desidera Instruments on italian speaking fora but is all very vague. Probably you can find more information at the saxophone museum at Quarna di sotto- Novara- (the small town where Rampone still is an Grassi was) http://www.quarnasotto.com/museo.htm  " Any information on Desidera would be appreciated. alxx (talk) 07:06, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

UCI World Championships
I've added a note in the sport section mentioning the UCI World Championships have been held twice in Verona. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.35.135.133 (talk) 06:57, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Climate
The article states: “Verona experiences a Humid subtropical climate (Köppen climate classification Cfa) characteristic of Northern Italy's inland plains, with hot summers and cool, humid winters, even though Lake Garda's quasi-Mediterranean climate has a partial influence on the city." The bit about a subtropical climate is clearly wrong - as if verona were Sydney or Surfer's Paradise! The Italian Wikipedia correctly says: "Verona has a predominantly continental climate, though Lake Garda, with its sub-Mediterranean climate, partly moderates the city's climate. In summer temperatures are high but the winters are severe." which sounds more reasonable. If no one else changes it I’ll do it myself, but I’m not very good at doing footnotes. Campolongo (talk) 07:42, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Verona is humid subtropical under the Koppen climate classification, as every month averages above zero, the hottest month averages over 22C and there is moderate rainfall throughout the year. The winters are not cold enough for Verona to be classified as continental. The winters are nowhere near 'severe' - Moscow, Minsk and Ulan Bator are examples of cities that have severe winters. Jim Michael (talk) 02:27, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Agree with you sir, I lived in Verona 4 years while serving in the US Army (assigned to NATO) and the harshes winters I remember were not that severe at all. Temperatures did drop into the mid 30's a few times, but the winters are relatively short and I did not once see snow, except in the high elevations (Mt Baldo). 68.202.226.179 (talk) 00:58, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Verona in the NATO but without balconies
The archives of the Hungarian Museum of Military History have released scans of a WARPAC wargame transcript with regards to the southern Alps, Italy attack direction (i.e. WW3 in Europe played out on paper).

Date: 1965. June 21-25. Participators: - Soviet Army Southern Group HQ (commanded by major-general K. I. Provalov and vice-feldmarshall S. A. Andruschenko) - especially the command staff of the soviet 28th army group - Hungarian 5th and 25th Army Commands

The gist is, ICBM strike hits on some "imperialist" cities were calculated as: 2 x 500 kiloton, Wien city is completely annihilated 1 x 500 kiloton, Verona city is completely annihilated 1 x 500 kiloton, Vicenza city is mostly demolished 1 x 500 kiloton, München city is mostly demolished

As you can see, there wouldn't be a single balcony left in Verona after WW3. I was completely suprised to learn the WARPAC would have targeted such a culturally important city so ruthlessly! 87.97.101.54 (talk) 11:52, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Leonardo da Vinci
Why is Leonardo mentioned here? his wikipedia page itself says he was from VINCI in the province of FLORENCE, TUSCANY and NOT VERONA, VENETO im gonna erase that soon if nobody objects  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.34.201.254 (talk) 23:12, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

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Juliet's balcony
Since Juliet is fictive, an explanation of her house and balcony, visited by millions, would be appreciated. Kdammers (talk) 04:53, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Improvements and questions/comments
I made a variety of fixes and improvements to text and layout. I have a series of questions/comments.
 * 1. "The advent of fascism added another dark chapter to the annals of Verona."

What was the first?
 * 2. "The Basilica of San Zeno Maggiore is a Romanesque style church, the third such structure on its site"

The above is vague. Does it mean the third structure built in Verona? Does it mean the third Romanesque structure? Does it mean the third structure around where it is now?
 * 3. "The interior is sober but still quiet."

What's the meaning of the above?

4. I placed the list of notable people at the end. There is no practical/logical purpose for it to be in the middle. Please add some images of notable people next to the list.
 * 5. "Achille Lauro, singer, rapper, and songwriter who represented San Marino in the Eurovision Song Contest 2022"

The information is outdated.
 * 6. "As of the 2021–22 season, Hellas plays in the first division"

Nobody calls the team Hellas. It's almost always referred to as "Il Verona".
 * 7. "Verona is hosting the Volleyball Women's World Championship in September–October 2014."

The information is almost 10 years old.

8. The image with caption "Panoramic view of the city from Castel San Pietro" is not a great one. The line of the horizon is bent and the huge tree on the right is in the way.

9. The image with caption "The Ponte Scaligero, completed in 1356" is fantastic: kudos to the photographer (FabioVerona).

10. In the section on Roman and Medieval architecture, it's not clear to me whether the entries should look in italic or not.

11. The Portoni della Bra are not at all mentioned in the section on Medieval architecture. It would be nice to add a few lines to fill in the gap.

12. I see the text says "Verona tram network [it]." The tag in Italian is out of place since this page is in English. The tag should point to a version in English. If it's not available, then the tag should not be there at all. ICE77 (talk) 19:12, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * 1. Of course you're just taking the piss but, not counting indigenous crime, the first time a neighbor attacked the initial settlement.


 * 2. is similarly precious. It clearly means the 3rd Christian place of worship at that specific location, with the first two almost certainly centuries earlier and not Romanesque. Rephrase to suit your taste.


 * 3. is just awful and you should rephrase. The initial editor appears to have mistook sober for somber and to have confused that with some word that doesn't already imply respectful or fearful silence.


 * 4. starts off great and then gets silly. Lists of notable people for a major 2000+ year old city are almost always better removed and handled as a category on their bio pages. That goes double for lists that include non-actually-noteworthy figures like minor athletes and singers. Alternatively, follow London's example and just use columns until it's fully bloated, then shunt it to a separate page.


 * 6. Leaving aside formal vs. informal names and which one is appropriate for an encyclopedia (hint: it's the other one), absolutely no one calls it "Il Verona" in English and what people call it in Italian is trivia for a travel or sports blog or something to fill into an infobox slot on the team's separate page.


 * 7. So rephrase or, if it's now fully non-notable, remove it.


 * 8. Bent horizons come with the territory of panoramic views.


 * 9. You can use the u or ping template to let users know when you mention them. Alternatively, you can find the edit where the picture was added or uploaded and toggle the "thank" option. It's always appreciated.


 * 10. No, italics is for movie titles and setting off foreign text in Latin script. Running script should almost never be in general italics. On the other hand, if what you mean is that the Italian names of everything are in italics, yeah, that's exactly how it should be. They should be formatted using, though, and not just  italic markup.


 * 11. Sure, do that.


 * 12. You're mistaken. If there's an Italian article, autotranslation is getting good enough that it is better to link to the treatment than to provide absolutely nothing. You are of course welcome to create an English version of that page and then replace the link.


 * 13. You didn't mention it but, since you're focused on photography, the image in the Arabic article is ridiculously better than any image in the current English article and should immediately replace the montage as a gorgeous introduction to the city in the best imaginable weather and lighting. If it's not public domain, the city's tourism board should just buy it outright to allow us to use it here. —  Llywelyn II   15:30, 19 March 2024 (UTC)