Talk:Vexillology

Good Article
I'm a member of the Heraldry and Vexillology Project, but just noticed the state of this article. Surely we can start a drive to at least get this listed as a Good Article. There must be more about the history of flags and their study. I'm only secondarily interested in Vexillology, but I'll do what I can to help.--dave-- 20:25, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Issues
Is the link for Société Vexillologique de l'Ouest (France) accurate? I clicked on it but it seems to be a dead link. Unless the site is down?

The link to vexillography.com is a site by Clay Moss and panel from the FOTW.

EJRS 20:31, 21 November 2006 (UTC)ejrs

Три лилии что значит на гербе Sergejrusakov29322 (talk) 21:15, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Terminology
So does the study of vexillogy includes the pictures on Shields and Coat of Arms, the banner and the flag that knight jousting use? By the way does anyone know what is the pole (that has a lot of medal attached) used in war to represent ones' royalty and status that Roman use? --Ramu50 (talk) 19:43, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

FIS ?
I believe that the article on the FIS should be rechecked. Surely, there is a lot of great stuff here, but I am not sure that the entire thing is the original W. Smith's system. The "historical" icon is clearly indicated that it is not part of the Smith's system (actually, I made it up for my web site in 1996 and it apparetly stick, used afterwards on FOTW and some other vex. printed sources) but other non-Smith symbols are not indicated as such. Please, have a look at the souces and recheck this. Actually, only the grid system was adopted by FIAV together with colour coding (cf. the official FIAV docuemnt at http://www.fiav.org/FlagInformationCode.pdf )

Compare with http://zeljko-heimer-fame.from.hr/descr/use.html also http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/xf-fis.html.

The symbols for reverse and vertical usage indications were proposed by me in ca. 1997, see http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/wooton/6/symbols.htm but they have not been widely adopted in the vex-community, and I think they better not be included here. BTW, the addition of the horizontal staff for vertical hoisting icons has no much sense - these should indicate how the flags are hoisted when hung from the short endge, like banners or set against the wall etc., and not how the flags are hoisted when set on a horizontal pole protruding from a facade (as I read the icon as it is shown here now.)

The circular symbol "Authorized" is, if I am not much mistaken used by some European vex-journaly, however, if I remember correctly, it meaning is not what is implied on Wikipeida now "Design officially authorized to represent nation by government of that nation" - it rather indicates that the particular design is officially adopted, usually followed with adoption date. It certainly have nothing to do with "representing nation" as it may as well be (and often is) used for local and regional, municipal and even commercial flags. I believe there are few more symbols that are used together with this one (like §, =, % etc.) being from the "usual" character sets to indicate things like when some flag was introduced in use, first hoisted, when adoption decision become valid etc.

In any case, I think the article deserves to be reviewed a bit. Keep up the good work.

Željko Heimer, 13 August 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.0.191.50 (talk) 21:07, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Suggestions
Can we get a list of all the national flags Vexoilloligists hate? That'd be ace. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.7.156.67 (talk) 09:35, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

The list of vexillogists is somewhat emotionally charged - statements like "The most important German" and "tireless debunker" might be better written with more objective phrasing....

69.179.87.17 (talk) 16:17, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Unicode proposal?
AFAICT, the vexillological symbols presented in this article are not yet included in Unicode.

Has some one already made a Unicode proposal?

Is the list of symbols complete or are there some rarer symbols not presented in the article?

Are there fonts with the vexillological symbols in the Private Use Area?

Tohuvabohuo (talk) 04:23, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Standards
From Heraldry: And the children of Israel shall pitch their tents, every man by his own camp, and every man by his own standard, throughout their hosts. (Numbers i. 2, 18, 52). Every man of the children of Israel shall pitch by his own standard, with the ensign of their fathers house (Numbers ii. 2). And the children of Israel did according to all that the Lord commanded to Moses: so they pitched by their standards, and so they set forward, every one after their families, according to the house of their fathers. (Numbers ii. 34) —Pawyilee (talk) 02:56, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

No information on colors or any other basic information on vexillology
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/16/a-new-symbol-of-russia-s-anti-war-movement

According to Western symbology expert Michel Pastoureau, when it comes to flags, there are two types of colors. Group one includes gold, yellow, silver, and white, while group two includes colors like red, blue, black, and green. On a well-designed flag, no two colors from the same group should touch; they should be separated by a color from the other group. (In Russia's flag, the blue and red stripes touch.) --Espoo (talk)2