Talk:Vice-Chancellor of Germany

On what basis was this article moved? I've always seen "Vice Chancellor" and never "Deputy Chancellor." john k 06:49, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I have moved the following from the entry to here.


 * ===German Empire===
 * 1881-1897 Karl Heinrich von Bötticher
 * 1897-1907 Count Arthur Adolf von Posadowsky-Wohner
 * 1907-1909 Theobald von Bethmann-Hollweg
 * 1909-1916 Klemens Delbrück
 * 1916-1917 Karl Helfferich
 * 1917-1918 Friedrich von Payer (Progressive Party)

As far as I know, there was no formal Vice-Chancellor during the Kaiserreich - there was only the Chancellor (as the sole minister) and his secretaries of state.

But anyone in the know might clear this up. Str1977 18:12, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

I am fairly certain that von Payer, at least, was described as a Vice-Chancellor. The others would appear to simply be the State Secretaries for the Interior. This is not a post which Payer held, so perhaps he should be the only one listed? john k 18:16, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

It's been a long time but you were right, John.

There was something like a Vice-Chancellor, though the title is unofficial (but that is the case for anybody before Mr Erzberger).

The German WP had this to say:

"Mit dem Stellvertretungsgesetz vom 17. März 1878 wurde der Reichskanzler ermächtigt, die Einsetzung eines Stellvertreters, der ihn im Falle einer Verhinderung vertritt bzw. seine Aufgaben wahrnimmt, beim Kaiser zu beantragen. Neben eines allgemeinen Stellvertreters, der für den gesamten Umfang der Geschäfte des Reichskanzlers ernannt wurde, konnten auch für einzelne Amtszweige, die der eigenen und unmittelbaren Verwaltung des Reiches unterstehen, die Vorstände der obersten Reichsbehörden als Vertreter des Kanzlers im ganzen Umfang oder in einzelnen Teilen ihres Geschäftskreises berufen werden. Die Rechte des Reichskanzlers blieben jedoch unangetastet, er konnte auch während einer Stellvertretung alle Amtshandlungen selbst vornehmen. Durch ein Änderungsgesetz vom 28. Oktober 1918 wurde das Stellvertretergesetz an die neuen politischen Gegebenheiten angepasst, u.a. wurde dem Vizekanzler jederzeit Gehör im Reichstag zugesichert und die Vertretung für einzelne Amtszweige gestrichen."

In time, I will translate it. Str1977 (smile back) 19:36, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Let me see if I can use my rudimentary German to do it (heavy help from Leo required):


 * With the Deputation Law of March 17, 1878, the Imperial Chancellor was authorized to request from the Kaiser the appointment of a deputy, who was deputed in case of incapacity (?) to take on his responsibilities. Besides an across the board Deputy, who was appointed for the whole duties of the Chanceller, there could also be ones for each individual department, who were assigned to oversee directly and without intermediaries the management of the Reich, the direction of the topmost imperial authorities  as deputies of the Chancellor in all ways, or in particular components of their responsibilities.  However, the rights of the Chancellor remained untouched; he could also carry out all official acts himself rather than through a Deputy (?).  Through an amendment of October 28, 1918, the Deputation Law was adapted to the neu political situation; among other things the Vice Chancellor was insured a hearing in the Reichstag at all times and the proxy for each department was abolished.

That seems to be the gist of it, but it's not a very good translation. And I'm sure I've made some mistakes. john k 21:44, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Requested move 15 May 2017

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The result of the move request was: Not moved &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 09:36, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Vice-Chancellor of Germany → Vice Chancellor of Germany – Vice Chancellor without "-" like Vice President or else Alektor89 (talk) 11:39, 15 May 2017 (UTC)


 * What is your argument for this change? — A L T E R C A R I ✍ 19:06, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Quite. American English doesn't usually use a hyphen in these terms; British English, on the other hand, frequently does (and until relatively recently, almost always did). -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:45, 16 May 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Vice-chancellor Göring ?
There was no such position during Nazi period, after von Papen. Fantasy title, and logically not mentioned at Hermann Göring positions infobox. --213.172.123.242 (talk) 08:14, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

wrong article
Germany has no Vice Chancellor, just only a deputy of the Chancellor! Why? A Vice- Chancellor is a permanent office and title but the German deputy of the chancellor acts only if the chancellor is absent; otherwise he or she is a normal Federal Minister only!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.189.255.72 (talk) 20:53, 31 March 2022 (UTC)