Talk:Vice (magazine)/Archive 1

entires for contributors
In the notable contributors section both Hamilton Morris and Shane Smith seem to not have wikipedia entries of their own, both have gotten significant non-Vice media coverage, especially Shane Smith who was recently on Conan O'Brian. I have seen Hamilton Morris in Interview magazine and the New York times so maybe someone should make them stubs for expansion. whoops there is already a request for more info re "that fat bitch" Shane Smith, buy I still want to know more about that skinny bitch Hamilton Morris, and whoops I deleted this a week ago? --Valerophenone (talk) 07:50, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

bobos/hipsters
Aren't these abstract, pejorative and essentially POV terms? Is there a neutral alternative? Could we discuss its readership in a separate section with citations and so on? Prylon (talk) 21:01, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree. The term hipster should be removed from the article, as it is neither a term with a precise or logical definition, nor a neutral term. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bizdorph (talk • contribs) 16:19, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

"the mentally disabled"
Is this the current idiom in Canada? I ask this question in good faith, as in the UK we generally use the phrase "people with learning disabilities" and would view "mentally disabled" as a deeply outdated and pretty offensive term. Dom Kaos (talk) 14:27, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Mentally disabled is not considered an offensive term in Canada, though its use varies. "Developmentally challenged" is sometimes used as a more paranoid, PC term, but mentally disabled is not considered pejorative. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bizdorph (talk • contribs) 16:17, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Vice partnership with MTV
I tried to add information about the vice partnership with MTV, but wikipedia insists that i am trying to insert a blacklisted link... http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/19/business/media/19vice.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.22.57.5 (talk) 21:24, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

"Pro-Rape Manual" MY ASS
This response was made in passion, and thus I will come across very furious. I'm not irrational, but please, hear me out.

The speculation that Answer Me! Issue # 4 was a "Pro-Rape Manual" is blatantly false. Not once in the book does Jim Goad, who by the way did not advocate rape, nor any of the contributors ADVOCATING rape, detail step-by-step on how to rape someone.

Of all articles, the most explicit (and disturbing for that matter) ones were written by Peter Sotos and Randall Phillip. I happen to own a copy, and if you need references, I'll be glad to provide some.

Jim Goad attempted to understand rape from the rapists' POV, stating in the Shit Magnet (pardon the analogy), "Trying to understand rape solely form a victim's viewpoint was like trying to understand automobiles strictly from the perspective of the asphalt. I wanted to yank the reader right into it as a participant, experiencing it from every possible angle, including those of [rapist] and [victim]." Groar! (talk) 02:50, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

American Conservative Article
"In response to these criticisms, co-founder Gavin McInnes published an article attacking liberals in The American Conservative entitled "Hip to Be Square: It’s getting cooler to be conservative" in August 2003. McInnes later said the article was written as a joke."


 * I've removed the line "McInnes later said this article was written as a joke" because I can't find a quote verifying this. If there is some proof, I'd like to see it. As far as I'm concerned, he was 100% serious about being a conservative.

Empire's are awesome. Darth Bush is the new Queen. Rule Amerikkka. P.S. if the point is in dispute, don't add it. Not that it matters, Wikipedia isn't "fact". Its the citations we should be worrying about. 194.72.54.162 (talk) 16:34, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

ummm free?
Their website is currently requiring 30 USD for a North American subscription. Is it free if you find it at a stand or something? It would also be nice to have some information on where it can be found out and about.

Umm yeah ive found being free at magazine stands and cafés altough those magazines were a bit outdated.

yeah it's free and can be found in most cities at certain stores in most cities. they don't really like to do subscriptions, that's why they cost money. -g —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.197.245.159 (talk) 16:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Agreed that free needs to be changed. It's $30 unless you can find it somewhere where it's free. Seeing as how I cannot find it on a stand, and cannot get it unless a subscription is paid for, it is not free. They're international subscription is $70. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.92.29.69 (talk) 02:37, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

I live near (and have lived IN) my state's 3'rd largest city, and I have NEVER seen a paper copy of this magazine. Didn't even know it existed until I saw the internet. Maybe they only distribute it in massive cities like New York and Boston? :( — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.34.63.39 (talk) 02:41, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

http://store.vice.com/ lists it as $42USD/yr as of March 2013. Definitely not free. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.2.213.118 (talk) 01:35, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Racism
Also of note is that Vice published an article on the band Prussian Blue. That article was not critical of the band and did not challenge anything that this group stands for. In the audio commentary on that article the Vice commentator says that "my only beef with these people is their issue with race mixing." So he DOESNT take issue with Holocaust denial, eugenics, separatism, or pro-Hitler sentiments? He also, apparently, doesnt have a problem calling people "chinks." see http://www.viceland.com/issues/v11n10/htdocs/hello.php

Vice should be taken with a pinch of salt. If you don't like your "freedom Fries" with salt don't have salt. However boycotting a whole culture might be considered racism. Does that make Amerikkka racist?

They also had a thing about Beyonce's "n***** hair" ages ago. It seems to go quite close to the edge. That doesn't mean we should paint it as some racist propaganda, though. Anyway, this article needs a helluva clean up. I'm gonner have a go now. Prylon (talk) 02:42, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 02:33, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I love being white too
What's wrong with that? How is this controversial? Isn’t that original research? 194.72.54.162 (talk) 16:53, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I also enjoy being white. Why does this make me a racist? Please help! --202.134.251.206 (talk) 04:48, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

This should either be deleted or cited with a link demonstrating the controversy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.168.100.232 (talk) 06:58, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

VBS.tv linkage
Apart from the magazine, Vice is also responsible for VBS.tv, Vice Television. It would be relevant to allow the site to be linked in the extended links section. Can this be changed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Superboreal (talk • contribs) 22:31, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Countries
At the moment the list of countries the magazine is produced in seems to be a bit random and haphazard. If there are no objections I'll put Canada, as the country where the magazine was founded, first, followed by the rest alphabetically.

Also, does anyone know if the magazine is produced in Holland or the Netherlands as a whole? If we don't know exactly we should probably put what Vice themselves put on their website which is Holland (despite the fact that they might mean the Netherlands)

Oh and Mexico. Does anyone know if they actually have the mag there yet? It just says that they will in 2008 on their website but there is no affirmation that it is there yet. She&#39;sGotSpies (talk) 10:37, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Scandinavia is not a country. I know that Vice is available here in Sweden but i don't know about Norway, Denmark, Finland and Iceland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xenocerebral (talk • contribs) 08:10, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Shane Smith
Where's the article for Shane Smith? I would like to know more about that fat bitch.

Shane Smith (2)
is the Shane Smith link under "Notable Contributors" the same person as vice's shane smith? i don't see the connection, but i'm not sure. see /profiles/shanesmith30 on vbs.tv website (direct link is blocked) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.33.228.15 (talk) 11:05, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Rifleman 82 (talk) 14:18, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

VICE (magazine) → Vice (magazine) – MOS:TM -- All caps for non-acronyms becomes standard capitalization 76.65.131.248 (talk) 04:34, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

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 * Support - Same spelling used in sources. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 19:29, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - Unnecessary capitalisation. --  [[ axg  ◉  talk   ]] 22:45, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

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McAfee
I just found a Wired article yelling at Vice for trying to cover up their blowing John McAfee's cover. I figured it might be worth something to add to "Controversy", but I can't find too many other RS-looking commentators saying the same thing.

Just leaving it here in case anyone else can use it. --Lenin and McCarthy |  (Complain here) 00:55, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Someone (TheRedPenOfDoom) removed the following entry saying it was "Inappropriately Sourced". Can anyone explain why?: Involvement with John McAfee In December 2012, Vice.com inadvertently exposed the geographic location of anti-virus pioneer John McAfee, wanted for questioning by authorities in Belize, by posting on their website a recent photograph of McAfee containing gps coordinates embedded in its exif data[18]. I had it sourced from http://www.whoismcafee.com/guatemala/ Jrw1234 (talk) 23:29, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * blatantly fails WP:RS. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  00:26, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Cool Jrw1234 (talk) 08:15, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

List of Notable Contributors (deleted - just putting here in case it's useful to other editors)
Notable contributors have included or include the following individuals:
 * Notable Contributors


 * Suroosh Alvi - VICE founder, journalist
 * Adam Baron - writer
 * Blake Butler - author
 * Andy Capper - VICE editor, journalist
 * David Choe - graphic artist
 * Jonnie Craig - photographer
 * David Cross - actor
 * Rob Delaney - comedian
 * Roe Ethridge - photographer
 * Adam Gollner - former VICE editor
 * James D. Griffioen - photographer
 * Richard Kern - writer, filmmaker


 * Tao Lin - writer, artist
 * Cat Marnell - writer
 * Ryan McGinley - photographer
 * Gavin McInnes - VICE founder, writer
 * Michael C. Moynihan - former VICE editor, journalist
 * Chris Nieratko - humorist
 * Clyde Henry Productions - illustration
 * Jesse Pearson - VICE editor-in-chief, writer
 * Terry Richardson - photographer
 * Johnny Ryan - cartoonist
 * Shane Smith - VICE founder, journalist

List of Vice Magazine issues (deleted page)
for, I dunno, records, it's a useful list: List of Vice Magazine Issues (August 5, 2013)

Wrong place
The parts about video, TV, music clearly do not belong to this article called Vice (magazine), instead should go to Vice Media, Inc. or own articles. --Itu (talk) 08:33, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

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laziness
Gone now: The full current staff of Vice magazine and VICE.com can be found on their masthead. Um, duh. Weeb Dingle (talk) 06:14, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Hey, irony: after ten minutes of digging around on vice.com, I am entirely unable to find any such staff listing. Therefore, I have renamed Current Staff to just Staff, and even THAT will be flagged as needing proof (though, really, it's OR, right?). Weeb Dingle (talk) 06:25, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Vice News & Sexual Harassment sections don't refer to the magazine, but to the parent company
Should probably be moved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pyroclimatic (talk • contribs) 20:11, 12 April 2018 (UTC)