Talk:Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha/Archive 1

Protection
I've temporarily semi-protected the article from edits by non-autoconfirmed accounts for the vandalism that's been appearing for obvious reasons. If you are reading this and are unable to contribute to the article while it is protected, please request an edit to be made on this page by using the request edit template. MIDI (talk) 20:41, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Update: I've now fully protected the article as the only edits seem to be a flip-flop of edits announcing this individual's death and then a revert. The protection need only be in place until an official statement can be cited, which I'm sure won't be long. MIDI (talk) 06:59, 28 October 2018 (UTC)


 * It has been confirmed a few hours ago Calummoran11 (talk) 07:10, 28 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Please provide a reliable source; it can then be added and the protection lifted. MIDI (talk) 07:13, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2018
Wolf3637 (talk) 20:43, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes and provide a reliable source if appropriate. MIDI (talk) 20:49, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2018
It is understood that he was on board the helicopter, however it unclear as to who else was also onboard. 5.198.124.124 (talk) 20:53, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Source? Mattythewhite (talk) 20:57, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2018
It is understood that he was on board the helicopter, however it unclear as to who else was also onboard. Source: The mirror can also be found here: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/breaking-leicester-city-owners-helicopter-13492007 5.198.124.124 (talk) 21:00, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think the Mirror article is passes WP:V; it uses the weasel wording "It is reported..." without substantiating the claim. If it is reported, then we should be able to add a direct quote from a source. All other news outlets seem to be saying that it is not known if Srivaddhanaprabha was on board. At the moment the article reflects the majority of WP:RSs, inasmuch as there is no official statement. We should be aware of sources wanting to be the first to "announce" anything. MIDI (talk) 22:24, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2018
Please cHNAGE "On 27 October 2018, Srivaddhanaprabha's helicopter crashed outside Leicester City's football ground, King Power Stadium, shortly after taking off from the pitch. It was not immediately clear as to whether Srivaddhanaprabha was in the helicopter.[12]" To

On 27th October 2018 Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha's helicopter crashed in a car park outside his club; Leicester City shortly after taking off following a match against Premier Club West Ham United. It was not immediately clear if Srivaddhanaprabha was in the helicopter. East Midlands Ambulance Service received a call at 20:38 BST. The blue helicopter which usually has two pilots took off as it usually does. According to the BBC an eye witness said "It was just spinning, out of control. And then there was a big bang and then a big fireball"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-46006470 Worldnews1776 (talk) 23:42, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I've added some of this. Some info here is superfluous detail, particularly as there is now an article on the event itself. MIDI (talk) 07:11, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Vichai’s Death
On the wikipedia page for Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha, it shows no death date for him. On the 27th of October 2018 he was in the helicopter which took off at King Power Stadium at 8.32 PM and right as it went over the stadium it spun out of control and crashed in the south-west corner of the stadium in the car park. It was unclear who had died in the crash at first but was announced early Sunday morning (October 28th) that Vichai and the pilot had died. Calummoran11 (talk) 07:09, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * A reliable source is needed for this to be added. MIDI (talk) 07:13, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Is this confirmation, or a poorly timed/written article? - J man708 (talk) 11:35, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * For me, that link says "This is a subscriber only article" -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 11:48, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The BBC has echoed Reuters's report. Here's the link. Sam10rc (talk) 12:21, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, but both the BBC and Reuters are only reporting "a source" as saying he was on the helicopter (which the article already mentions). Until we get an official statement saying he has (or has not) died we cannot really write anything further. Black Kite (talk) 12:24, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

This is bullshit! He died and here is your source (if you do not like the BBC), link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolf3637 (talk • contribs) :Google Translate certainly doesn't corroborate the claim. We really aren't in a rush to announce anything—remember that Wikipedia isn't a newspaper, so we're not looking to break news. When multiple reliable sources are reporting something, then we can add it. In all likelihood, a statement will be made in the near future and we'll go from there. Until then, most UK agencies seem to be heeding the police's request to stop speculating (read of that what you will) and overseas reporters who are disregarding this are either speculating or pushing unverifiable claims. MIDI (talk) 21:01, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Destination
Does anybody know where he lived / where he was planning to go in the helicopter? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.119.61.73 (talk • contribs)
 * The article on the event, citing the Metro, says it was bound for London. MIDI (talk) 07:58, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

They haven't even confirmed his death yet. hold your horses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dodsdontchangethemselves (talk • contribs)
 * Thanks MIDI. And there can be a planned destination regardless of deaths or otherwise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.119.61.73 (talk • contribs)

Changes
Can you add a new section called Helicopter accident? As it doesn't really come under Personal life. Also, Fireball is a DAB page, so please change the link to fireball (or remove the link entirely if you prefer). Joseph2302 (talk) 09:36, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ Black Kite (talk) 12:10, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Daughter
According to the executive team page of the official King Power website,http://story.kingpower.com/en/corporate-en/executives-en/ Vichai's daughter's name is Aroonroong, not Arunroong. Slovebz (talk) 12:12, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * They are alternative spellings. However, I also looked this up and this does seem to be the most commonly used one, so ✅. Black Kite (talk) 12:26, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Add link please
At the top of the Helicopter accident section, please add to help readers navigate to that page for more information. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:36, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ Black Kite (talk) 15:58, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Career
Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha was awarded an honorary doctorate by the University of Leicester in 2016. Bamkin (talk) 15:01, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ Black Kite (talk) 15:58, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Minor edit request
Spelling: "honourary" should be "honorary" in last sentence of Personal life section.--A bit iffy (talk) 17:36, 28 October 2018 (UTC)


 * ✅ It can actually be spelt both ways in British English, but since that's what the source says, I've changed it. Black Kite (talk) 17:41, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Not really. "Honourary", if allowed at all, is archaic and never found in modern texts. There's some suggestion that it may have been prevalent in the 17th or 18th century but that's about it. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 17:53, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The UoL website uses the spelling "honorary": . MIDI (talk) 20:18, 28 October 2018 (UTC) Just realised the source given is also UoL... doh. MIDI (talk) 20:19, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 28 October 2018
In "Personal life", please change "Leicester University" to "University of Leicester", the establishment's official name. Also, add the "Category:People associated with the University of Leicester" to the categories. This category includes other honorary associates of the University, such as Richard Attenborough. Harambe Walks (talk) 18:36, 28 October 2018 (UTC) Harambe Walks (talk) 18:36, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ MIDI (talk) 20:02, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 28 October 2018

The man died! I tired to make these changes but they were not accepted. I suggest the following changes: Wolf3637 (talk) 15:38, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

he died 27 october ❌. No reliable sources yet. Black Kite (talk) 15:58, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 28 October 2018
Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha  (วิชัย ศรีวัฒนประภา; ), born Vichai Raksriaksorn (วิชัย รักศรีอักษร; ) (born 4 April 1958), was a Thai billionaire businessman, founder, owner and chairman of King Power Duty Free. He has been the owner of Premier League football club Leicester City since 2010. 92.238.35.106 (talk) 19:12, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * X mark.svg Not done. No source given for change of tense. MIDI (talk) 19:58, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

He's dead. Confirmed He's dead. Confirmed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.11.17.224 (talk • contribs)
 * By whom? MIDI (talk) 19:59, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

"Death" of Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha

Tread carefully now, as it appears that available worldwide news outlets, including the previously quoted UK The Sun, have pulled the story from their sites. I suspect a legal challenge in place somewhere, so entry in Deaths in 2018 removed for safety, FYI. Ref (chew) (do) 20:19, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads-up. I don't know about other admins, but I have no intention of removing the full protection until we can cite something; I have no reason to think that the editing will be any different to how it was before (either when unprotected or semi-protected). From my POV there is nothing to require a preemptive WP:REVDELREQUEST... MIDI (talk) 21:10, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * No, agreed, definitely leave it in place until we have something solid. Black Kite (talk) 21:12, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Why would there be a "legal challenge?" He's obviously dead - it's very weird how the media are reporting on this

Protected edit request on 28 October 2018

Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha has been confirmed dead today by news sources. Article should be edited accordingly. Kaetor (talk) 21:04, 28 October 2018 (UTC)


 * ❌ When we see a reliable news source, it will be edited accordingly. Black Kite (talk) 21:11, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 28 October 2018

According to the daily mail Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha was among 5 people killed after a helicopter crash at Leicester City football club he will be dearly missed by all football fans 80.42.75.61 (talk) 21:41, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * X mark.svg Not done Per WP:RSP, we do not classify the Daily Mail as a reliable source. MIDI (talk) 21:45, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * And even if we did, that story still just says "Police and the club are yet to release an official statement on the tragedy, but the BBC have reported a source close to the Thai billionaire's family said he and the four others died in the crash". Black Kite (talk) 21:46, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * And further down "Five people are believed to have died although police are yet to confirm more than 24 hours on whether or not there are any fatalities." So in other words, the usual Mail accuracy (or lack of it). Black Kite (talk) 21:49, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 28 October 2018

On Sunday 28 October 2018, it was confirmed that Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha had died as a result of the helicopter crash that occurred the previous evening. Wikijake15 (talk) 21:59, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * ❌ as per the above requests. Black Kite (talk) 22:03, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Source from Leicester City F.C.. S.A. Julio (talk) 22:04, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Formatting of lead sentence
I have raised a query at MOS:BIO about the sentence structure in the lead. Rather than explaining it twice, please read the discussion and chip in if you have any useful suggestions. MIDI (talk) 21:17, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Group (semi-)protected edit requests together
It seems that, as the helicopter crash has attracted a fair deal of attention to Mr Srivaddhanaprabha, a number of edits and edit requests will follow. They may well flood this talk page, and a fair share of them relate to his alive/dead status, while others have to do with the addition or correction or other aspects of his life. Asking from ignorance, can edit requests be put together into a single section? I hope that this would help those wanting to work on adding information that is actually confirmed. Sam10rc (talk) 22:01, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * It may just be worth archiving this talk page and starting afresh... MIDI (talk) 22:11, 28 October 2018 (UTC)