Talk:Victor Emmanuel II Monument

Image Usage
Hey there. The article's text twice mentions the stark whiteness of the building, contrasted with Rome's more typical earthy tones, but the image on the article is a 'sunset' or 'sunrise' image, with the light a reddish orange.

I'm thinking of swapping back the image I placed here earlier:



...which has the building in it's correct color. Any opinions? -- User:RyanFreisling @ 15:27, 5 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Image:VittorioMonument.jpg is more accurate, w/o the sunset tones —Dogears 03:05, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. --Thorsen 09:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * To me, those two images are more accurate http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Altare_della_Patria,_Roma_-_main_fc03.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Altare_della_Patria,_Roma_-_main_fc01.jpg The excessive whiteness of the monument, in respect to the rest of the city, is well konwn among Romans, and is due to the fact that it's made of Carrara marble, instead of the travertine usually used in ancient and modern Rome. The travertine is more gray in colour.

POV?
This article seems quite POV, the article describes the building such as it stands out like a sore thumb. Any thoughts on how to make this more NPOV? Kreca 01:44, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Kreca - can you explain a bit more what you mean? Are you saying you think the article assumes a negative view of the monument, rather than describing the varying views of Romans towards it? -- User:RyanFreisling @ 04:18, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Precisley, maybe this is how many feels, but there are no citations to the "nick names" and the text gives no insight to the other side of the argument. Also by reading the article I dont get what it is used for today, is the building not in use anymore? Kreca 13:39, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

As far as i know this is used as a government building. it was commissioned by mussolini but im not sure about the date. the real contoversy is that it was built over old christian ruins and that is why there are so many "nicknames" for this building. I suppose that the italians feel the building could have been build else where rather than destroy ruins. on a side note, several of the tours i went on said that mussolini had dinner with several of his close friends in the belly of that statue just before it was completed. John sekela (talk) 10:41, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The monument was not commissioned by Mussolini. As stated in the article, it was designed in 1885 (seven years after the death of king Victor Emmanuel II, of wich was to be the tomb) and inaugurated in 1911, when it was already almost completed. Only the WWI events posponed it's definitive completion to 1925. Mussolini would hardly commission a monument to celebrate the House of Savoy, as this would put him in the background.

The nicknames in this article are old, dated back when the monument was made in honor of the first king of Italy, after the Unification of the country. Today nobody knows it by this names and for this reason I find the voice "controversy" a bit odd. Italians (like me) simply call the monument "Vittoriano" or "Altare della Patria" because inside there's the tomb of the Unknown Soldier. It's an important munument that represents, by all the other things, the Country as a whole. It's sad to see that "controversy" voice so highlighted in the article because those critics were made more than a century ago when it was a new things in Rome, it still happens today in every historical city when there's a new monument or a building. People need time.However it's a monument and not a government building, and I don't know why foreigners like Sekela up here always see Mussolini everywhere and why they always think Italians are not proud of their monuments... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.48.149.43 (talk) 10:08, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Editing the Intro
I am thinking of editing the intro of this article. Too many POV words are stated as fact (i.e. majestic, huge, tall, etc.)

Also, the monument is described as being "chopped with terrible brutality into the immensely complicated fabric of the hill." There is a cite for this, so I think is should be removed from the intro section and moved to the "Controversy" Section.

Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skinnypez (talk • contribs) 14:37, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Renamed
A true category D of an article. Needs a total rewrite. The mayor of Yurp (talk) 00:41, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

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Changing the title of the page
Hello all,

I just wanted to point out the name "Altare della Patria" refers to a distinct section of the structure (the one housing the Unkown Soldier) not the whole monument. The official name of the monument is Vittorio Emanuele II Monument (Italian: "Monumento Nazionale a Vittorio Emanuele II") and the page title should reflect this.

Srouce: David Atkinson & Denis Cosgrove (1998) Urban Rhetoric and Embodied Identities: City, Nation, and Empire at the Vittorio Emanuele II Monument in Rome, 1870–1945, Annals of the Association of American Geographers, 88:1, 28-49, DOI: 10.1111/1467-8306.00083

--Sweetmaple23 (talk) 05:07, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * This is correct and the article notes in its first line that this is the wrong name for the monument. I suggest moving it and will, barring objections. - Eponymous-Archon (talk) 12:13, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Typewriter
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