Talk:Victoria Beckham/Archive 3

First single Spice Girls
The article says "The group's first single was called "Touch", and she worked with Geri Halliwell, Emma Bunton, Melanie Brown and Melanie Chisholm. " and then "In 1996, the group's first single, "Wannabe", went to Number 1 in the UK and US." So was "Touch" or "Wannabe" their first single? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.97.197.129 (talk) 09:45, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * A year overdue, but "Wannabe" was the very first single from SG. Fixing that. ★ Dasani ★ 18:00, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

What is her ethnicity?
What is Victoria Beckham's ethnicity or racial origin? 86.178.224.255 (talk) 21:39, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * White British, I believe. Jim Michael (talk) 01:36, 27 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Are you sure your belief is correct? She looks more Portuguese, Spanish or maybe Gypsy, but White? I can accept Baby Spice and Ginger Spice are White British, but Victoria? 86.178.74.6 (talk) 19:44, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Whatever it is, we need to find reliable sources to support any reference to ethnicity. --BwB (talk) 19:46, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * "White British", such as it is used at all, doesn't have to refer to blonde, ghostly-skinned people. Plenty of people of Beckham's complexion are of White British Heritage, and the idea of being able to discern an "ethnicity" just by looking at photos of someone is faintly ridiculous. This discussion topic has the whiff of racism about it, and frankly it's irrelevant anyway. She was born in Britain, her parents are British, if there is any other ethnicity in her ancestry it's not likely to be notable. EJBH (talk) 21:30, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


 * But it is not just the skin-colour. Her face, nose, jaw, eyes, etc are not White features. There is nothing racist about the question. Why should anyone be ashamed of who they are genetically? If people are more receptive to race and racial differences, instead of hiding in a closet and live in denial, the world would be a more tolerant and less racist place. For example the world has become more tolerant and understanding of gay people after gays came out of the closet. 86.182.38.143 (talk) 01:55, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


 * You really take seriously the skin-colour & features of a woman who has access to more cosmetic processes than yer average punter? By that argument, David Dickinson is descended from a Spacehopper. I shall say this only once: it does not matter. I'll repeat, and you seem to support this above: it does not matter. If you've seen the relevant edition of QI, we are all descended from Charlemagne, so we are all French. Is that what you intend to imply? I do not think so. Leave it be please, it's a non-argument. Rodhull  andemu  02:03, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

What does not matter? 86.178.161.196 (talk) 01:49, 6 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Rodhull, you spend too much time watching TV, go and get a life. 86.176.51.41 (talk) 11:19, 24 April 2012 (UTC)


 * She is not white, and not white british. She have clearly some other ancestry. And I disagree the she looks spanish, she is not white mediterranean. --Santista1982 (talk) 10:39, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

"Adams" is an English surname, so perhaps her mother has some other ancestry, but Victoria should still be considered white, since her husband and father are both White British, as far as I know. Estheroliver (talk) 01:29, 30 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Having an english surname doesn't making nobody white. How many blacks have english surname? Also if her husband is white (he is jew not white) doesn't make her white. She clear non white ancestrors. She is not white. --Santista1982 (talk) 19:42, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Doesn't matter. The point is, it's totally irrelevant to the article. BTW, if David is really Jew, he is still white. It's like saying, "But he's Japanese. He isn't Asian." Well, guess what? Japanese people are still Asian. And I think the reason why the poster said "other ancestry" is because so far it's been hinted she is Spaniard or Italian or something, Meditterean is still considered white. If she really is mixed with African American or Middle Eastern it wouldn't count because her nationality is British. 75.4.254.20 (talk) 18:19, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I've always thought she was a mixed heritage of afican-american or middle eastern, lol.

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 * In the USA, a Spaniard or Portuguese is not considered "White" but a "Hispanic", and an Italian is an "Ital". "White" in the USA refers to a person from a North European stock. 86.176.51.41 (talk) 11:21, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * ...Victoria is not American by birth, so why does the way Americans perceive these groups matter? BTW, the Spanish descent I know are all American-born and they consider themselves white. That's what they check when asked. ★ Dasani ★ 03:25, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Her husband works for LA Galaxy, and they do live in the US. Let's suppose Victoria was stopped by the Police who did not know who she was, and they have to fill out a form about ethnicity (as US Police do), based on her appearance what is the most appropriate box to tick, White or Hispanic or even Black? 86.178.162.47 (talk) 01:11, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Victoria is also not an American citizen. She may or may not decide to become one in the future, but as far I have knowledge of, she isn't the first person to live in the US and not be a citizen. Why the big fuss? This question is not that much different from asking about a minority living in the US. For example, if an Asian descent born and raised in Asia moved or had a child who was born and raised in the US, they would be in the same position. They are Asian descent living in America, American by nationality. Even whites who have been born and raised in the US for many generations are deemed white. Likewise, blacks are blacks. Asians are Asians no matter what generation they are. I'm pretty sure they have similar consensus in England, and since she is supposed to be British ancestry or mostly British, she is therefore white. Spelling Style (talk) 00:01, 17 August 2012 (UTC)


 * She looks like an alien to me, but I see no evidence that she is a non-white alien. Lots of white Europeans have weird pointy faces. There is no argument here and no evidence, so just drop it. Paul B (talk) 18:03, 17 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually she doesn't look like an alien to me. May be Paul B has met an alien but I have not. Wikipediens are here to discuss reality and not fiction which Paul B doesn't seem to understand. Please Paul, drop your silliness, this page is not the place for discussing aliens, and please don't be an alienist. 86.176.51.41 (talk) 11:53, 24 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, "Adams" is not an English surname, it is Welsh. Welsh is British but not English, and there is a significant number of people of Somali descent in Wales. Victoria Beckham/ Adams reminds one that she may have Somali blood. 86.176.51.41 (talk) 11:17, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * A bit late on this one, but I would beg to differ. Even on Wikipedia, the Adams article cites that it is indeed a surname popular in England and Scotland. There are many people with English ancestry using this last name. ★ Dasani ★ 00:43, 11 May 2012 (UTC)


 * It seems Wiki is incorrect. Adams is the Welsh version; the English version is Adamson and the Scottish version is McAdam or MacAdam. 86.176.49.22 (talk) 13:07, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * It's possible they may have modified their surname or adopted a new one along the line. The last news story I read regarding this hinted that Victoria's mom Jackie actually confirmed that a grandparent many generations back was from Germany, not any of these other countries everyone is guessing. ★ Dasani ★ 03:26, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * That could mean anything, as Anglo-Saxons came from Germany. From photos on the web, her father looks like an Anglo-Indian. 81.159.179.246 (talk) 15:23, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Probably. However, this "grandparent" was from so many generations back that I don't think Victoria would even identify as such anymore. Plenty of people in Western countries have been mixed up. ★ Dasani ★ 18:03, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Irrelevant whether she identifies with her ancestor or not. She cannot overwrite her genes. 86.149.128.202 (talk) 00:54, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Top 10 Singles
In the intro of the article it says she had four top 10 singles but in the table at the end it shows five please fix this please — Preceding unsigned comment added by SnoopRoyale98 (talk • contribs) 16:31, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Age
Under "early life" is said: "In 1980, when Beckham was seven years old" This should be "six years old", as she was born in 1974. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.82.196.135 (talk) 14:19, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand and was just discussing this matter with the past two editors. Apparently, the source used cites her as being seven in 1980. As I explained to one of the editors, it was probably a typo. I was saying she was definitely six years old in 1980 since she has a 1974 birthyear, and one of them was saying she was born in April not January, so five or six. But I pointed out that she was turning six at the least, and many other articles cited the subject as being a certain age in a certain year. Anyway, bottom line is, we wouldn't be able to do that here since the source was also wrong. The age was taken out unless we are able to find a source that accurately cites such. Spelling Style (talk) 03:05, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

"businesswoman"
not sure she can be termed a "businesswoman". She became rich and famous through the Spice Girls, and after that she married a rich and famous footballer, which ensured the continuation of her own fame and fortune. She appears on talk shows and informs us that she's "good at" fashion; she has had a book written about how many handbags we poorer girls (don't) need and she's adopted toe-curling poses with her husband in ads for perfume (or was it underwear?), but I expect if you ask her to analyse a profit and loss report you'd draw a blank. This is an Essex girl, who was lucky to be chosen for a girl group. She is good enough to take part in the chorus of a provincial musical, but that's about it. This article has clearly been written by a fan, and is crying out for some balance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.170.152.204 (talk) 18:35, 12 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Above is clearly true. Her name is used for various fashion-related businesses.  As such her role is to provide a celebrity name, rather than any business acumen or even experience or understanding.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.4.236 (talk) 20:53, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

What about the fashion label under her name, producing dresses, jeans, handbags and glasses, only naming a few?

Factual error about richness status
"Beckham's marriage and career as a singer have made her the 52nd richest woman in Britain.[144] and the 19th richest person in Britain with husband David, with an estimated joint wealth of £112 million ($225 million USD)"

The above does not make sense.

(1) If she is the 52nd richest woman in Britain she can not simultaneously be the 19th richest person in Britain. Basic arithmetic shows that she must be at or below the 52nd position in the richest person list, since that includes men some of whom are probably richer than her (and if, indeed, some are they would push her below 52nd position).

(2) To be an umpteenth richest *person* you must first be a *person*. Ms. Beckham plus a husband does not constitute a *person*, but *two people*. Two people can not jointly be a *person*, of the 19th richest or any other type.

It is amazing that such basic linguistic and logical fallacies make their way into something that has claims to being an encyclopaedia and then remain there, for significant time, uncorrected.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.4.236 (talk • contribs) 21:03, 18 November 2012‎ (UTC)

Retired From Music
Didn't her reps release a statement a few days ago confiming she's done with singing altogether?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.94.187 (talk) 19:40, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Achievements that should be commented
Her collaboration with Land Rover to produce a special edition of Range Rover Evoque, with 200 vehicles produced, and the fact that she was awarded by UK Glamour Magazine as "Woman of the Decade" in 2013 are two subjects that are worth for a mention in this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Williamsmachado (talk • contribs) 21:00, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Also, that picture with the "J'adore Dior" t-shirt in the fashion section wasn't taken in 1999, but in 2008. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Williamsmachado (talk • contribs) 21:08, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Request to add to Power and Influence Heading
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I am a student at California State University of Fullerton and our class is doing a Wikipedia assignment on editing Wikipedia articles. I wanted to request to add on some more information on Mrs. Beckham's Power and influence heading. I also wanted to created a subheading (6.1 UNAIDS International Goodwill Ambassador), to allow readers to acknowledge her active participation as an ambassador. I also wanted to add to her banbossy excerpt to show her contributions to the campaign. Here is what I'd like to add: On September 25, 2014, the Joint United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS appointed Beckham as UNAIDS International Goodwill Ambassador. The announcement was made at an event held during the 69th United Nations General Assembly in New York. Michel Sidibé spoke out, stating “I dream of a generation free from HIV and I know that Victoria’s support will help us achieve this shared goal. Her creativity, innovation and outreach will amplify our efforts and bring us one important step closer towards ending the AIDS epidemic.” It is noted that Beckham will be working towards the goal of making sure children are born free from HIV, and that measures are taken in ensuring women and children who are currently affected by HIV, to have access to proper medicine and care. Due to being a patron of the Elton John AIDS Foundation for 20 years[1], Beckham has already worked with a lot of different AIDS charities. After being appointed, she had stated “This is the beginning of an important journey for me. As a woman and a mother I have a responsibility to support other women. I am proud and honoured to be working with UNAIDS in this new role to help to raise resources and awareness to support and empower women and children affected by HIV.” [2]

In September 2015, Beckham made her third [3] official speech during the first day at the UN’s Social Good Summit as her newly appointed title. She was also awarded the Fashion 4 Development Award for her work with UNAIDS and commitment to raising awareness on HIV during the Fashion 4 Development annual First Ladies Luncheon.[4]

On March 10, 2014, after joining Ban Bossy, Beckham tweeted a quote by her from the campaign: “It is thought provoking that a man in charge may be described as commanding, however a woman in the same situation may be called bossy”[5], then captioning the tweet with an empowering message: “#banbossy Encourage girls to lead”[6] and encouraging others to join her. [1] "Victoria Beckham Speaks At The UN’s Social Good Summit". Marie Claire. Retrieved 2016-03-09. [2] "UNAIDS appoints Victoria Beckham as International Goodwill Ambassador | UNAIDS". www.unaids.org. Retrieved 2016-03-09. [3] "Victoria Beckham Speaks At The UN’s Social Good Summit". Marie Claire. Retrieved 2016-03-09. [4] "UNAIDS Goodwill Ambassador Victoria Beckham receives Fashion 4 Development Award | UNAIDS". www.unaids.org. Retrieved 2016-03-09. [5] "Ban Bossy. Encourage Girls to Lead.". banbossy.com. Retrieved 2016-03-09. [6] "Victoria Beckham on Twitter". Twitter. Retrieved 2016-03-09. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Irdexterreed (talk • contribs) 20:53, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

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Artificial breasts?
No mention of her widely publicised "breast enhancements" (enhanced by the insertion of small silicone slabs). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.175.56.95 (talk) 18:17, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Ancestry
Some websites cite her as a descendant of Karl Marx. Does this qualify her as being of part German descent? Or at least having German ancestry? http://metro.co.uk/2010/02/25/victoria-beckhams-communist-background-as-alien-ancestry-revealed-130128/ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1041751/Poshs-proletariat-past-Victoria-Beckham-descended-Communist-comrade-Karl-Marx.html

74.32.24.180 (talk) 06:40, 18 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: they don't say she was descended from Marx, but from the far less notable Carl Heinrich Pfaender. I doubt this is worth a mention. --Stfg (talk) 14:21, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Oh okay. I wasn't expecting it to be mentioned I was just curious and this seemed like the place to ask. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.32.22.222 (talk) 00:15, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

The reason her 'ancestry' keeps coming up, in my opinion, is because of the first picture from 2010, less photogenic of her. It should be replaced. And a family picture that includes their two sons would be great, later in the article. — Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 21:51, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Then she could could be part Jewish, which would explain her complexion. 86.149.128.202 (talk) 00:52, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

What you said doesn't make a lick of sense. You are a very foolish person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.224.198.189 (talk) 07:49, 22 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Is she part indian or south-asian? 2A00:23C5:C13C:9F00:9CC2:F904:9D43:644A (talk) 14:21, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

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