Talk:Victoria Kamāmalu

Pictures
This article really need some. This article is getting to be very long and without pictures it would really hard for readers to interested. Wikipedia Commons is not one of my many skills. I do not know how to created or upload an image but there are plenty out there of Princess Victoria Kamamalu. 63.3.21.2 (talk) 19:39, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Styling of Kaahumanu II, III & IV
Only the "State of Hawaii" Dept. of Accounting & General Services archives mentions the styling of Kaahumanu II, III, & IV, but is it really necessary to put in the Wiki titles these names? These confuse many people who aren't aware of the styling to which even in those days it wasn't commonly known. Official documents show how Kekauluohi signed her name as such, not Kaahumanu III, and according to the Laws of His Majesty Kamehameha III., King of the Hawaiian Islands, Passed by the Nobles and Representatives at their session, 1853 you can clearly see how Victoria Kamamalu signed her name 2 different ways but none of which as styled.

Fornander, I'i, Kamakau and other contemporary writers have all listed these alii by the names that the common people know them by. I don't mind the styled name indicated but using it as the top of the page for Wikipedia, especially since it wasn't like that before, is a bad idea. I mean, look at Elizabeth_II, it seems the proper styling isn't used. But someone decided to do it for the alii? This is very different compared to how we do in our Hawaiian culture.

Was this already voted on? I mean, are we to really leave it up to these select few wiki editors to decide to continue misleading people on actual facts of our culture? Or is it the typical whatever you editors decide by "consensus" goes regardless if it's what we all know our alii to be known by? I'm not saying that the style is exactly wrong, although according to that site these women were styled while the men were not. But I don't think it should be listed as the main title at all. Even if you look through what the State Archives had, they never, ever listed their title by the styled names for a very good reason.--Mamoahina (talk) 18:43, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Read pleaee. It's on talk:Kaahumanu III. Sorry no editors are interested in any of these articles and there was never a vote or anything; you can see by the fact that this entire talk page is blank except for a person asking a question about a question. The title was originally created by User:Springeragh in 2008 with this title. I didn't change it. I've been the only one editing them and to change all these articles is a gigantic hassle I'm not going to get to until I have time because no one else is going to do them. Why don't you actually edit instead on complaining on the talk page.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 20:06, 9 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't know how to really make the correct changes. If I did, I'd definitely would've done so by now and also joined one of those ridiculous faux organizations you people have going on in here to feel like there's some type of a roundtable discussion governing certain things, creating none sense rules.  But honestly, if I change something, can you promise not to change it back according to you want to?  And I've seen that talk page where you replied.  I've seen MANY of the pages where you replied actually.  You tell me I shouldn't complain but isn't this what these discussions should be about?  If I change things, you'd change it back anyway.  I've seen the extensive amount of time you spent on here.  Why should I waste my time?  Grow up!  I know you're young but stop bitching about me bitching.  I can understand if you disagree but you seem to be bitching only because finally someone has proven how ridiculous this is!  I'll start changing these and then what, if not you, it'll be one of your cohorts changing these pages back simply b/c they feel it's more appropriate!  You have a lot to learn young man!--Mamoahina (talk) 22:37, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * If your changes are reasonable I won't revert them. Like Kapaakea for example I will revert. Try keeping your replies short and simple, please. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:31, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

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Helena G. Allen's quote (she is prone to narrative style)
"Victoria did not, however, marry Lunalilo. Her thwarted romance with Monsarrat (Lot threatened to exile him.), her strong attraction to alcohol and her hopeless feeling about Hawaii's future led her to return to her half sister Princess Ruth's home. where she stayed until her death in 1866."

- Allen 1982, p. 30