Talk:Victory Day (9 May)/Archive 2

Merging discussion
As a german who holds close relations with russian authors and who has organized a number of cultural events about Russia, I propose to keep these events clearly separate. The Victory Day has a competely different meaning for the nations involved in the war, and I am quite sure the respective articles will grow over time, so it makes perfect sense to keep them separate. So maybe the merging hint in the article can be removed now? --Bernd.Brincken (talk) 13:39, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Bernd. These articles, while slightly similar, are not close enough related to be worthy of being combined. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.97.207.168 (talk) 20:29, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Totally agree with the opinions above. I think the tag should be removed immediately, since the proposal was based on the lack of understanding the difference between the two events. Grey Hood  Talk  15:41, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Great Patriotic War is not World War 2
"...the Soviet Union in the Second World War (also known as the Great Patriotic War in the Soviet Union and all post-Soviet states)".

This part reads like in the Soviet Union two terms WW2 and Great Patriotic War are used interchangebly, however that is not true:

The term Great Patriotic War is used in Russia and some other states of the former Soviet Union to describe the portion of World War II from 22 June 1941, to 9 May 1945, against Nazi Germany and its allies in the Eastern Front. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilya-42 (talk • contribs) 18:15, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Latvia
In section about countries, that celebrate Victory Day, shouldnt you mention Latvia, it is not officialy recognized holyday here, but it is widely celebrated, for example only in Riga capital of Latvia,aproximately 150 000 people were celebrating that day this year, and it is very big number for 700 000 population. Also it is widely celebrated in all large cities of Latvia. I dont know wikipedia rules, I could give you a lot of links in latvian and russian language, but not sure about english.

Also you can look for information about Estonia and Lithuania, i think situation is the same there, not officialy recognized, but is celebrated widely celebrated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.234.173.130 (talk) 03:55, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

A very dubious statement
"In Russia during 1990s the May 9 was not celebrated massively, because Soviet-style mass demonstrations did not fit in with the way in which liberals who were in power in Moscow communicated with the country’s residents. The situation changed when Vladimir Putin came to power. He started to promote the prestige of the governing regime and history, national holidays and commemorations all became a source for national self-esteem. Since then the Victory Day in Russia has increasingly been turning into a joyous celebration in which popular culture plays a great role." Please check for NPOV. This sounds exactly like modern Kremlin propaganda; I'm Russian and I can tell that much. 212.92.189.100 (talk) 11:36, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * ? please don't abuse such brain formatting tags! Yes, this is so called Kremlin propaganda. Perhaps greater investitions into this holiday have been held in 1995 five years before Putin. But the paragraph looks generally trustworthy, whatever propaganda it is. --213.208.170.194 (talk) 14:40, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Georgia
"Georgia has officially recognised 9 May since 1946"

Georgia didn't exist as an independent nation back in 1946. It was the GSSR. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.172.82.143 (talk) 12:17, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

This article creates the illusion that the USSR never existed...
Same goes for Armenia, Azerbaijan and all other former Soviet member states... This article creates the illusion that the USSR never existed... —  Yulia Romero  • Talk to me!  17:13, 9 May 2013
 * this problem with the help of a Footnote. —  Yulia Romero  • Talk to me!  17:30, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

No “Victory day” in German Democratic Republic
“In communist East Germany, a Soviet-style "Victory Day" on 9 May was an official holiday from 1975 until the end of the republic in 1990.” - this is not true. In German Democratic Republic the end of the Second World War was officially celebrated only on 8 May as “Liberation Day” (“Tag der Befreiung”, short for “Tag der Befreiung des deutschen Volkes vom Hitlerfaschismus”). It was a public holiday from 1950 to 1966, and on the 40th anniversary in 1985. Each year though there have been Parades etc. 9 may has only once been an official holiday and only for that occasion been called “Tag des Sieges” (Victory Day): in 1975. Auf-7-Meeren (talk) 19:35, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Ukraine
Since Ukraine doesn't celebrate "Victory Day" any more, but rather a 8-9th may "remembrance" of fallen heroes in WWII (http://www.5.ua/ukrajina/kultura/item/383040-ukraina-vidmovliaietsia-vid-heorhiievskoi-strichky-na-koryst-chervonoho-maku 5 канал: Україна відмовляється від "георгієвської стрічки" на користь "червоного маку"), it seems inappropriate to have a picture of its parade in the middle of the article.--BezosibnyjUA (talk) 01:00, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * "Article 1. Victory Day (May 9) is a State Holiday" . The law is actual, so you're misinforming the community. --СэрАртём (talk) 19:43, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

The law СэрАртём links us to is since 9 May 2015 outdated; new law can be found here. This (new) law shows BezosibnyjUA was correct. —  Yulia Romero  • Talk to me!  14:39, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Copy editing
This article needed a lot of copy editing for style and redundant statements. Please improve on my edits if it's needed! Foreignshore (talk) 20:35, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

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Date and time of the ceasefire
The time that all hostilities were to cease was 8 May 23:01 CET. But the British were on British Double Summer Time by then so the time of the ceasefire was 0001 9 May BDST. Was Germany on Central European Summer Time ? If so then the local time was 9 May 0001 hours. Unfortunatly I have not been able to find a source which confirms the local time that the forces engaged in the war were using, although there was a site which claimed that all allied forces on the Western Front were using the same time as the UK, it no longer seems to be on line. --PBS 17:31, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Anyway the moment of 2301 May 8 was not May 7 anywhere in the world, and it was 0001 May 9 in Moscow if we beleive in the TZ archive ). 85.202.16.64 23:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

From my talk page: 
 * == German Summer Time 1945 ==

Hi, You asked here, if Germany was on Central European Summer Time 1945? Not exactly, but it used its own German Summer Time, in German: Deutsche Sommerzeit. In the arcticle Bedingungslose Kapitulation der Wehrmacht: Die bedingungslose Kapitulation [concerning the (preliminary) surrender in Reims] ''trat für alle Fronten am 8. Mai um 23:01 Uhr mitteleuropäischer Zeit in Kraft → Da im Deutschen Reich die Sommerzeit galt, war der Waffenstillstand tatsächlich am 9. Mai ab 0:01 Uhr ''. So, the German Summer Time was the +2 as Greenwich Mean Time(=UTC±00:00), +1 as the Central European Time, same as the British Double Summer Time and the Eastern European Time (there were not any Eastern European Summer Time yet in 1945) and -1 as the Moscow Time. --2001:999:22:A253:4142:4499:5BE9:DBED (talk) 22:22, 8 May 2017 (UTC) -- PBS (talk) 09:06, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

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What is the reason to have two separate articles?
This article seems to create a wrong impression that 8 May is a celebration of Reims capitulation signed by Jodl, and 9 May is a celebration of capitulation in Karlhorst signed by Keitel. Actually, if I remember correct, that is wrong. Both Reims and Berlin instrument of surrender stipulated that active operations cease at 23:01, 8 May. The discrepancy between 8 and 9 of May is because it was 9th of May in Moscow. In other words, Western Europe celebrates the same event (cessation of fighting on 23:01 May 8) are the Easter Europe does. The only difference is that it happened on May 8 in the West and on May 9 in the East. In connection to that, I suggest to merge these two articles, because they celebrate the same event (surrender in Reims is irrelevant, it was signed not on 8th of May, but on 7th of May).

Does anybody see any reason to keep two separate articles about the same event?

-Paul Siebert (talk) 22:00, 8 May 2018 (UTC)