Talk:Victory Tour (The Jacksons)

Sources?
Where are the sources on this whole article?Marnifrances 03:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

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Interesting Facts?
Are there any sources for any of these? This seems like the worst kind of unsourced trivia. Dayewalker (talk) 03:09, 6 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Also, some of the facts were not that interesting. Perhaps there should be two lists: one of Interesting Facts and another of Uninteresting Facts. Timothy Horrigan (talk) 01:02, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

recent changes
Per Lassoboy's request, I am here discussing my recent expansions to the article and some edits he reverted.


 * Re this: Yes, the claims seem tabloidish, but they were in Randy Taraborelli's book, not a tabloid (and the original version of that book was published with Michael's cooperation and during his lifetime). Once they're in a reliable source like that, their verifiability is no longer an issue for us (Properly understood, verifiability refers to the existence of the claim, not the truth of the claim). Now, I'll admit there might be other reasons to modify this. Perhaps the use of Don King's quote to that extent is a little too much. But I felt that that paragraph conveyed adequately the ill will within the Jackson family and their associates over Michael's surprise unilateral decision to break up the band. Maybe I could shorten it a little?


 * As to this, no problem, it was late and I hadn't read the source article closely enough. Daniel Case (talk) 16:17, 30 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm now more or less done with what I originally wanted to do, so I'm going back to the articles I usually work on. But I think some further expansion of the backstory could be done. We need to start with Joe and the other brothers deciding to go on tour because they wanted/needed the money, basically roping Michael into it and him refusing until his mother shamed him into it. This sets the stage for the difficult recording session for the Victory album (tensions were so high that they didn't take any group photos; that's why the cover is a painting) and the troubled shoot of the "Torture" video (which should have provided a huge hint as to how the Victory tour would shake out). And it wasn't too much longer afterwards that Michael bought Neverland Ranch to get the hell away from the rest of his family. There's a lot of story to tell. We also need to look at reviews of the shows from the tour. I think Rolling Stone had a really good article on the tour during the early days. There's a lot of sources out there if we look in the right places for them. Daniel Case (talk) 16:17, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Actually, this page this other biography reveals that Michael tried to stop Mr. Taraborelli from publishing The Magic and the Madness and even Berry Gordy sued Mr. Taraborelli for libelling him in regards to his business practices at Motown, allegations that he cheated his artists out of rightful money and invasion of privacy. The talk page for Personal relationships of Michael Jackson says that much of the stuff in Taraborelli's books is based on hearsay and gossip not to mention discussing personal details of his subjects that he wouldn't even be privy to unless he was personally close to them. 61.69.206.108 (talk) 05:14, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

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I added rehearsal dates
I added rehearsal dates to all Michael Jackson concert pages available. If you find any new ones insert them in. :) - NiceHat3786 NiceHat3786 (talk) 04:33, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

It says 55 shows but tour dates add up to 56
3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 2 + 3 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 3 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 3 + 7 = 56 Lbsvto (talk) 21:29, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Philadelphia concert was canceled because of thunderstorm
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