Talk:Victory in Europe Day

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I Wonder if VE and VJ Day are the same — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.9.85.227 (talk • contribs) 18:22, 10 March 2004
 * No, they are not the same, see the articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tothebarricades.tk (talk • contribs) 19:19, 3 May 2005

Thank you USA and others for our freedom against the Germans. Thank you very much wiki (talk) 14:07, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

To be moved to wikisource
Do we need the Declaration of Military Surrender? Relevant, but would be better linked to as an external source of in wikisource.--Tothebarricades.tk 19:19, May 3, 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree it is exactly what wikisource is for and should be moved. Though maybe an important point or two could be incorporated into the article. say1988 — Preceding undated comment added 01:26, 8 May 2005‎

Agreed, move it to wikisource - but don't just delete it! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 14:06, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

(Yet another copy of the same text redacted. For the full text, see this page's history.)

I've restored the ACT OF MILITARY SURRENDER. It will be removed again when I find the link to the Wikisource. Feel free to beat me to it. -- PFHLai 14:48, 2005 May 8 (UTC)
 * Don't include copies of primary sources. You don't need to "find a link" to Wikisource.  Just go directly to Wikisource.  You don't need to go any further than the Wikipedia Main Page to know where it is.  And you don't need to go very far in Wikisource to find that this document has been there since 2003.  I've undone the mess that was made of this article by the people who didn't check Wikisource first.   Uncle G 15:15, 2005 May 8 (UTC)
 * Nicely done, Uncle G. I have never made links to any items in Wikisource, and now I know how to do it.  Thank you. -- PFHLai 18:48, 2005 May 9 (UTC)

Sentence removed from article
I've just removed this:
 * "May 8 is somewhat of a holiday for antifascists in Europe, especially Germany."

Aside from its odd coding, it's not clear what it means (what's "somewhat of a holiday"?), nor whether it's true (or, indeed, what being true would consist in). Could anyone help? --Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 09:42, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

How many people are in the picture?
In the crowd below Churchill? Sagittarian Milky Way 06:49, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Several. Definately more than 3.
 * Petecollier 18:41, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The article says that more than a million people took to the streets in celebration in London. The number visible through Churchill's window is immaterial. Lorangriel 19:19, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

The text says that "in the United Kingdom more than 100 million people celebrated in the streets." Given that the population of the U.K. is somewhat below 100 million, where did all these people come from ??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.112.143.12 (talk) 10:14, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Removed dead links
BsL (talk) 14:36, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Victory address by Sir Winston Churchill, 1945-05-08, 3 PM (Danish site, English audio, Real Player)
 * Victory address by King George VI, 1945-05-08, 9 PM (Danish site, English audio, Real Player)

Cleanup
I think that this article requires cleanup because I noticed several grammatical errors. I fixed one but I'm leaving right now, I'll try and fix more when I'm back but in the meantime it would be nice if someone else could do it. Also I don't know how to mark it as cleanup needed or else I would. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.111.240.160 (talk) 23:31, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Disagree with resent text removal
I see no reason for removal of "Celebration" and "Soviet Victory day" sections: the article's name is "Victory in Europe day", not "Victory in Europe (May 8) day". Reverted.--Paul Siebert (talk) 17:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Odd linkage
Why does this article have a link to western betrayal? W. B. Wilson (talk) 16:25, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

I will remove in a week or so unless another editor can demonstrate the relationship of the two articles. W. B. Wilson (talk) 04:30, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Link removed as the western betrayal article itself was deleted on 18 March. W. B. Wilson (talk) 08:35, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

May 8th as a public holiday
May 8th is not a public holiday in Norway. Maybe it has been on some specific occasions, but the information here is not generally correct. Should I remove it? I think that a similar comment can be made about some of the other countries listed too. In fact, this section is quite ambiguous and muddled. Quantum.wells (talk) 13:21, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Europe
This article is about Victory in Europe, for Europe, why is there a paragraph about the celebrations in The United States? Shouldn't this have it's own header such as 'Celebrations outside of Europe'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.34.88.154 (talk) 04:59, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It was victory in the war that was waged in Europe, but that war was being waged by the Allies, including the US. Ie the US were at war in Europe, so they celebrated when the war ended and their troops could come home. (Eg, similar to the US's war(s) in Iraq.) Mitch Ames (talk) 03:52, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

The requested cite for Princess Elizabeth's movements on VE day can be found in the epic "World at War" series http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_at_War; it may be the Remember episode. She talked about wandering the streets anonymously, with her sister & as I recall, one "houseman"...96.231.221.136 (talk) 21:19, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Combine 8 and 9 May as celebrations of V-E Day
Any treatment of the Allied victory in Europe must include the Soviet Union, an ally in the war against Nazi Germany. Any attempt at separate treatment of western and Soviet aspects and celebrations does injustice to the at least 12 million uniformed war dead on the Soviet side. For those interested in history it must be remembered that the total U.S. uniformed war dead in WW-II (all theaters) was about 400,000. Put into comparison with at least 12 million Soviet uniformed war dead and at least a comparable figure for civilians (numbers for both Soviet military and civilian war dead also have been calculated as much higher) this was a tragic but comparatively small price.Федоров (talk) 16:18, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * VE Day - thats what was celebrated in Britain I think - 'Victory Day' doesn't mean anything I don't think to the British, there was VE Day and then VJ Day. Its not a slight on anyones sacrifices, its a matter of historical record, how the event was referred to in certain countries.  VE Day should be kept separate from other articles not about VE Day. Thats how I see it anyhow, Sayerslle (talk) 02:41, 5 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The role of the USSR in the war against Nazi Germany is not that simple. One must remember that for the two first years of WW2, the USSR and Nazi-Germany were allies and co-aggressors. Hence, in the USSR one only learns about the 'great Patriotic war' from 1941-1945, while the coordinated Nazi/Soviet aggression in the first two years of WW2 is conveniently forgotten. Except of course in Poland, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Romania, all of them uncompensated victims of Soviet aggression. Only in 1991, after fifty years of Soviet repression did the Baltic countries regain their independence, while even today Poland finds it borders forcibly shifted towards the West. So from a central-European point of view, it makes perfect sense to distinguish between the VE-day on May 8th, and the terrible, terrible consequences for half of Europe due to the Soviet version of the victory on May 9th (per the Moscow timezone). Lklundin (talk) 11:05, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


 * So if it makes perfect sense to distinguish between the two what is your rationale for proposing a merge? Do we really need to have that banner spoiling the look of the article just when lots of people will be finding it with a google search who know nothing about, and have little interest in, wikipedia's more arcane processes? Richerman    (talk) 10:21, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Day of the Week
Which day of the week was 7 May 1945? --78.146.57.85 (talk) 21:31, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

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Hatnote for Israel article
Since Victory in Europe Day (Israel) has its own article, please replace the hatnote for "the former Soviet Union and Israel" with: Please remove the Israel entry from the "See also" section as it is already linked in the article proper. 62.165.200.11 (talk) 06:43, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, you're right. That's done now. Well spotted and thanks very much. No Great Shaker (talk) 10:11, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

United Kingdom, not Great Britain
In three places, the words "Great Britain" should be replaced with "the United Kingdom" (or "the UK"). VE Day was, and is, celebrated in Northern Ireland as well as Great Britain. 188.143.76.193 (talk) 17:16, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You're right. Changed as requested. Thanks. No Great Shaker (talk) 20:55, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Time zone discrepancy between Churchill's speech and German Instrument of Surrender
Why did Winston Churchill announce that "hostilities will end officially at one minute after midnight tonight Tuesday 8th May", when the German Instrument of Surrender, which had already been signed in Reims the previous day, stated "2301 hours Central European time on 8 May"? 23:01 CET was 23:01 BDST (British Double Summer Time from 1941 to 1945), 22:01 BST or 21:01 GMT. In any case, one minute past midnight would have been the next day, 9th May. There must be a good explanation, but given how often Churchill's speech is played as a piece of history, it ought to be explained on this page to avoid confusion. NFH (talk) 21:01, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Good point. It can't be related to the later ratification in Berlin, as that wasn't signed until 00:16 CET on 9th May:  Maybe Churchill or his advisors simply made a mistake. Schgreen (talk) 09:29, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2020
For Dutch Liberation Day it is stated that it is an Quinquennial national public but since 1990 it celebrated every year as a national public.

Source unfortunately in Dutch https://www.4en5mei.nl/herdenken-en-vieren/veelgestelde-vragen/achtergrondinformatie-vieren/geschiedenis

Law Book Article 3 https://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR0002448/2010-10-10 5th of May recognized as a public holiday

So

Chance Quinquennial national public to National Public

And

Remove, a public holiday every 5 years. AHofstad (talk) 14:41, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ Yes, it looks like Liberation Day (Netherlands) has it set as an annual celebration. The only source that states it as the former quinquennial holiday doesn't look too reliable. I have updated the article. Don Spencer talk-to-me ⛅ 14:42, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

"Surrender of Nazi Germany" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Surrender of Nazi Germany. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 11 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. &thinsp;&mdash; Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)&thinsp; 20:23, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

"Location: Earth"?
When I searched about VE Day, it shows me that "Location: Earth" in a small box on the google page (not Wikipedia). But inside the wikipedia page, there's no reference of "Location: Earth". Is this line added by Google itself on the search page, or was it picked up from somewhere within the Wikipedia page, like how the Lead paragraph was put in the box?--LostCitrationHunter (talk) 12:56, 4 December 2021 (UTC)