Talk:Victory ship

One of the many victory ships built in North Vancouver in world war two served as a fleet auxiliary with both the british and the canadian navies. Its stern is now in the North Vancouver museum. The british called it the Flamborough Head. Not every navy names a ship after one of its defeats.82.38.97.206 09:00, 11 January 2006 (UTC)mikeL

Well, the US does when it can inspire people to fight - there is a USS Pearl Harbor and USS Bataan. Identity0 22:36, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Added link to Flamborough Head. What was the hull number of this Flamborough Head ship? I don't see it in either the list of Liberty ships or Victory ships. The USAT Pearl Harbor was a "Liberty" ship, as naming it the USAT Pearl Harbor Victory might have seemed incongruous. I've looked over the list of Victory ships and noted they are named after cities, universities or colleges, countries, and even companies (e.g. "Alcoa Victory"). The only one in the list I see that is named after a "defeat" is the Alamo Victory. That was a victory for Mexico but not for Texas. After the war, some of these ships were renamed, e.g. USAT Maritime Victory was renamed SS Pvt. Fredrick C. Murphy. Murphy was a Medal of Honor recipient. Incidentally the Murphy was recently sold and is being scrapped this summer (2006) in Brownsville, Texas. Mfields1 23:08, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Numbers
The numbers in the list of types don't add up. No mention of AP5 and AP7.

Following up: Are the VC2-S-AP5 type, Haskell class attack transports (APA-117 - APA-247), considered Victory ships or not? If they are, there are still two of them at James River. Either way the numbers are awkward.--J Clear 22:04, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The USMM and NPS google hits include the AP5 as a Victory ship, the VC2 bit seems to be the discriminator. Also we're already listing AP5s on the List of Victory ships.  Also I don't think there was such a beast as SS Lauderdale Victory, it was USS Lauderdale (APA-127).  The article actually does account for the AP5, which are the 117 Attack Transports.--J Clear 22:57, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Forts and Parks
Would also like to see the Forts and Parks clarified, perhaps in their own section. Seems some of them were US built, some purchased, others bare boat chartered, by Britain. And not all the Forts were the Victory design, most seem to be a British Liberty design.


 * Fort ship and Park ship, both have a page to themselves, as they are not the same as Victory ships here. Fort ships and Park ships, like Liberty ships, are sometime called "Victory ship" but, by function, but not by design. Victory ship here is about a type of ship design, not the function of the ship (Victory in Europe). I hope this helps. Telecine Guy (talk) 21:08, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

"Unlike their predecessors they were oil fired"
The Liberty Ship article table says "Two oil fired boilers,". It says the English ordered coal fired ships. David R. Ingham 02:51, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Since the statement was either wrong, as you point out, or refers to some other ambiguous, non-Liberty, predecessor, I trimmed the first three words off the sentence.--J Clear 03:20, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Clarification needed
Some clarification needs to be made here about the Victory ships built in Canada. According to uboats.net, the two Victory class ships sunk by U-boats were sunk BEFORE the supposed first Victory class ship (United Victory) was completed. If so, fine, but this article and the relevant page on uboat.net need to be changed. 209.244.31.35 20:08, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Telecine Guy (talk) 02:32, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I removed this, you are correct, these were not "Victory ships" Only three ships were sunk in action:   SS Canada Victory SS Logan Victory and SS Hobbs Victory, all three by kamikaze attacks.

Article contradicts itself
The intro says over 2700 Victory ships were built in the US, but the construction section clearly says only 534 were built. It appears that someone has decided to count Liberty ships as Victory ships in the intro total. Can someone confirm that is what has happened? I don't believe Liberty ships should be counted as Victory ships, they were clearly two different designs. Gatoclass 05:34, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Removed you are correct.Telecine Guy (talk)