Talk:Video vixen/Archives/2012

"Hip Hop" models?
I'd like to know why the title of this article refers to hip hop when the topic has absolutley nothing to do with the hip hop culture. Not only is modeling not one of the culture's four elements, but the videos these girls appear in have nothing to do with hip hop. And no, simply rhyming over a beat does not make someone, or somtething hip hop. Either make a distinction between the hip hop culture and mainstream rap music that these girls are a part of, or delete the article.--Illwauk 07:10, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I am wondering whether this is an encyclopaedic subject at all. Is a "hip hop model" fundamentally different from any other model? Do models actually specialise in this way? Is "hip hop model" even the right term? It all seems very dubious to me and was thinking of proposing deletion of the article until I was amazed to see that it has actually survived an AfD. Does anybody have any idea how we can improve this? --DanielRigal (talk) 21:52, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

As for whether this subject deserves its own mention, I would say so. There have been several television news specials devoted to the topic, including VH-1's "Hip Hop Videos: Sexploitation on the Set" (Hip Hop Videos: Sexploitation on the Set) and MTV's "Video Honeys". Further, several magazines are based primarily on this topic, as noted above. The models are different in that most are very curvaceous and would never find acceptance within the confines mainstream, commercial modeling. If not for this niche and the urban magazines and music videos that feature these models, most of these women would never see the light of day. PutneySwope1 (talk) 08:42, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The title should be "Video Vixens." That term became the more common name for young women featured in urban magazines such as King (magazine) and Smooth (magazine) and hip hop videos when Karrine Stephans' book, "Confessions of a Video Vixen," debuted at number six (6) on the New York Times non-fiction best seller list in 2005 (and stayed on the list for 20 weeks). A Google search using "video vixen" will return far more relevant results to this topic than "hip hop model."


 * Thanks for that. "Video Vixens" is not a term I have heard but it does make a lot more sense than "hip hop model". R&B videos make as much use of models as Hip Hop videos and so this term seems more correct and all encompassing. If it can be backed up with good references showing that it is the most commonly used term, I agree that the name should be changed. As some models do specialise in music videos (although not necessarily specifically in Hip Hop videos) that would also resolve my concerns about whether there is a separate encyclopaedic subject here. --DanielRigal (talk) 13:37, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Merger proposal
This article currently consists of only a section 'Controversy' which significantly overlaps the article Sexuality in music videos, and a list of models. I am therefore suggesting that said section be merged there, with this article either being redirected there or becoming a stand-alone list of models. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 05:31, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Disagree. There is already enough confusion as to the women appearing in hip hop videos being called "hip hop models". Plus, there is enough notable material about the field of hip hop "modelling" world that's not included yet in the entry. Yes, the entry unduly, as you noted, focuses on the sexual goings-on of the hip hop music video world. But this can and should be fixed.-The Gnome (talk) 15:48, 20 August 2011 (UTC)