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Term 'light rail'
This article contains several rather confusing references to the Stadtbahn being called light rail back in the 19th century. For example:


 * In 1869, Baurat Baron Carl von Schwarz finally brought in a third "light rail design". Thus, a name was fixed for the project, which soon became commonplace. In addition, the term "light rail" at the latest in 1872 in Berlin was common. Outside the two capitals, however, "Stadtbahn" established itself at the end of the 19th century rather as an alternative name for a classic electric tram. In Vienna, as well as in Berlin, one therefore spoke in the 19th century partly of a city railway.

It seems to me vanishingly unlikely that anybody in the 19th century German speaking Vienna would refer to anything using the term light rail, which is very much a late 20th century English language term. Unfortunately the article isn't sourced, but as best I can tell this is likely an artifact of machine translation. People in 19th century called it the Stadtbahn, which to them simply meant the City Railway. But because of the subsequent use of that term in some German cities to mean 'tramways upgraded with underground sections', Google Translate and/or other tools now translate this as light rail. Before I attempt to fix this confusion, does anybody disagree with this reading. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 20:33, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Ok, I've convinced myself that this is correct. I will make the necessary changes. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 18:07, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Does anybody know of a useable map of the Stadtbahn at its full extent
The map currently at the head of this article dates from the 1930s and shows only the lines that were electrified and operated by tram-like vehicles, and which are now essentially part of the U-Bahn (plus a few abandoned bits). But the adjacent header text talks about part of the Stadtbahn being now U-Bahn and part S-Bahn, which is confusing until you realise that the map doesn't show the Stadtbahn at its full extent. And you have to read several pages of history before that sinks in. It would be much better if we had a header map showing the system at is full extent, rather than after it had started to contract. Does anybody know of, or can make, such a map. Obviously it would need to meet copyright requirements. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 11:55, 5 January 2021 (UTC)