Talk:Vietnam Airlines/Archive 1

Hijackings
Certainly, the 1970 and 1974 hijackings did not happen with Vietnam Airlines but with Air Vietnam. --Avia 03:02, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Westernization
This article has no information on the transition and Westernization from Russian to European/US aircraft. This was a major milestone during the 1990s. -Rolypolyman 02:04, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

History
I'm thinking about adding the sections 'History', 'Dining' in the In-flight Service part and 'Golden Lotus Plus' to the article. I'll also be improving 'Incidents involving Vietnam Airlines' and 'Vietnam Airlines Destinations'. Sp33dyphil 6:43 17 February 2010

More images needed
If anyone out there that has images of pictures relating to Vietnam Airlines, could you please upload onto Wikipedia so I can use them to improve the article. Many thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sp33dyphil (talk • contribs) 07:38, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Those cargo planes are not freighters
For the pserson who editted the cargo planes' names, those planes are not freighters because their capacity volmue doesn't justify that, according to Vietnam Airlines Cargo. Also, the Airbus A300 and Tupolev Tu-134 have been retired, and to justify that, no sources provide the fact that Vietnam Airlines has a total of 64 airplanes (or aeroplanes, as I like to call it). Sp33dyphil 21:41, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

SkyTeam refs
The Alliance section has fourteen references for Vietnam Airlines joining SkyTeam. I can't for the life of me imagine why so many would be needed. There's an official press release somewhere in there; can't we just use that and one other reputable source, like the Economic Times or WSJ, and leave it at that? --dragfyre_ ʞןɐʇ c 21:47, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

What kind of organisation is Vietnam Airlines
Hello, is Vietnam Airlines a coporation, or a company? Also, is this article about the airline only, or the whole corporation, including catering services? Sp33dyphil (Talk) (Contributions) 21:17, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Not really sure what you mean, but this might help clarify a little... you could also check out http://vbqppl.moj.gov.vn/vbpq/en/pages/vbpq.aspx to search for government documents containing "Vietnam Civil Aviation"; I found this one, which declares the establishment of Vietnam Civil Aviation (aka Vietnam Airlines) as a state-owned corporation.


 * As for your second question, you're asking about how to handle the company's subsidiaries, am i right? IMO, subsidiaries of a major corporation like Vietnam Airlines should be notable enough for their own article. However, a summary of the topic should also be included in this article, since it's related. As for catering services, look this up; Vietnam Air Caterers is a separate company majority-owned by Vietnam Airlines (and part-owned by Cathay Pacific's catering company(!)), so it can probably even have its own article, like VASCO does (and like VAECO should). --dragfyre_ ʞןɐʇ c 22:17, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


 * A few days before, the article says that Vietnam Airlines is a corporation, not a company. Sp33dyphil  (Talk) (Contributions) 23:13, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, well, given the reference above, I'd say "corporation" would be the correct choice of words. --dragfyre_ ʞןɐʇ c 00:47, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

HKG and NRT focus cities??
How can HKG and NRT be focus cities? Can anyone provide a source for this? They only fly to its hubs from those cities as I recalled. Snoozlepet (talk) 15:32, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Fleet: passenger
An IP-user removed the mention of an Airbus leased out to Cambodia Angkor Air. Why? I intend to revert this. Jan olieslagers (talk) 06:18, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

A380 MOU

 * MOU is not an order - listing as order was wrong
 * Even a source in the article from 2010 (after the MOU) says Vietnam Airlines chief executive Pham Ngoc Minh told Flightglobal on 22 June that the carrier has still not committed to acquiring A380s and the superjumbo is still "under study"..
 * MOU in 2009 and no order in 2012: dead MOU (when the 2009 MOU was confirming its negotiations to order four Airbus A380s, then the negotiations failed)
 * No point in listing old negotiations and MOUs not resulting in orders - even for previously operated planes numbers are not listed
 * --Steinhfer (talk) 04:04, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * In that case, please remove it from the fleet table, and reinstate the mention of the A380 in the prose, since leaving it out would imply that Vietnam Airlines hasn't even thought about acquiring the type. --Sp33dyphil ©hatontributions 04:36, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Are past discussions without result really worth keeping forever? That MOU chatter happens all the time, like Vietnam Airlines signing in 2009 a MOU for 2 additional A350 it never ordered. A MOU is just saying "make a press release and we will discuss later if we actually do it". --Steinhfer (talk) 04:49, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I have provided a source for the A380 order. Why do we keep on discussing this? Separately, the reference provided for Boeing orders is dated at November, which is clearly outdated. This kind of statements cannot rely on sources that are due for almost 2 months. Please also note that that reference states the airline had taken delivery of only 4 777-200ERs, when it actually operates 10 of them.--Jetstreamer (talk) 14:21, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * There never was an A380 order, and your source does also not support your claim that there ever was an A380 order.
 * Vietnam Airlines ordered 16 Dreamliners in 2008, and now has only 8 orders. They likely cancelled 8 orders. There are usually no big press releases for order cancellations.
 * When was the webpage you are using as source last updated? And how reliable is it actually? It is likely much more outdated than the 1 months (not 2 months) old source from the most reliable source available (Boeing) I gave.
 * If Vietnam Airlines did order more Dreamliners after November, it should be easy for you to find a reliable source for that.
 * --Steinhfer (talk) 18:31, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Your comment about the 777-200ERs indicates that you don't know much about how the aircraft business works, so let me try to explain that to you:
 * Boeing delivered 4 777-200ERs to Vietnam Airlines. The other 6 aircraft Vietnam Airlines might be bought second-hand, or might be been leased from another airline or a leasing company. There is nothing unusual about that.
 * It is easy to find the information that 6 of the 777-200ERs are owned by ILFC, and the customer code shows that these aircraft were delivered from Boeing to ILFC.
 * Just look closer at the 30 A321 orders, and you'll notice similar things:
 * The article claims there are 30 outstanding A321 orders. According to Airbus, Vietnam Airlines has only 20 not yet delivered A321s. The additional 10 orders could be the 10 A321 orders by Vietnam Aircraft Leasing Company (likely to be leased to Vietnam Airlines).
 * The article claims Vietnam Airlines operates 27 A321. According to Airbus, 21 A321 were delivered to Vietnam Airlines, and Vietnam airlines operates 28 A321. Similar as for the 777-200ERs, Vietnam Airlines operates more aircraft than it directly bought from the manufacturer.
 * --Steinhfer (talk) 12:00, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Slogan
According to the article the slogan is "Bringing Vietnamese Culture to the World". the search results on google seem to further prove this, however the actual website shows "Reach Further" under the logo, implying that that would be the slogan (it sounds very slogan-like, too). However, google's results page is not simply an old cache, as the page title (shown when mousing over the tab) still shows "Bringing Vietnamese Culture to the World". Is that simply an outdated part of the site, and has the slogan officially been changed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.2.57 (talk) 16:07, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The slogan in the infobox has recently been changed twice . No sources were provided in both cases. These edits have been reverted as they were not in line with WP:VERIFY.--Jetstreamer $Talk$ 12:42, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

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 * Vietnam Airlines 0x44616E68 (talk) 05:29, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

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Fleet
Hi, I noticed that had reverted my change in Vietnam Airlines due to Added sources do not say how many aircraft of each type are in fleet, although my source, from Vietnam Airlines don't say how many air craft but the aircraft configuration is more correct than source from ch-aviation. I doubt that source from ch-aviation is correct, too.

Hence, please keep my change which shows correctly the configuration of Vietnam Airlines's aircraft.

The last time, had reverted my change due to Planespotters is not a reliable source and new orders are not firm yet according to sources given, however as far as I can observe, the fleet information from Plane Spotters matched with information provided by Vietnam Airlines information which can be observed through flightradar24. But I agree it's less reliable than other source since it works like a forum, however the reliability of ch-aviation is still in debate, see Talk:Alitalia/Archive 1.

I still suggest to re-work my change since it's the most reliable source by now. 0x44616E68 (talk) 03:57, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Your edits have been reverted. Read my response at my talk page. Planespotters is indeed not a reliable source. If the reliability of the current source is in doubt, try to find another one that is more reliable. But your changes did not support the current figures, that's for sure. Also, do not take further actions on the matter until this is solved. Starting a discussion means you have to wait for comments, and not to take unilateral actions.--Jetstreamer $Talk$ 12:42, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

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Images
Hello, is it allowed to put pictures of the fleet in the article like other airline articles? Triila73 (talk) 00:03, 7 April 2019 (UTC)


 * You can add some images of aircraft in the article but they really have to be ones that do not exist in the article already. They should not really be in a "gallery" as the reader can use commons for that. A good example would be an ATR-72 or Airbus A330 that dont already feature. MilborneOne (talk) 09:36, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Archived references not used in the article
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