Talk:Viggo Mortensen

Danish-American
I don't understand why it can't say "Danish-American". He is Danish-American as he holds dual-citizenship in both Denmark and the U.S. It says "Do not add Danish because he was born in the U.S, known for his work there and still spends much of his time there." The former CEO of YouTube Susan Wojcicki was also born in the U.S, known for her work there and still spends much of her time there, but it still says Polish-American om her page. TheManTheyCallAdam (talk) 23:12, 8 March 2023 (UTC)


 * You can check MOS:NATIONALITY for the official Wikipedia policy on the use of nationalities in the first paragraph. The article can mention any dual nationality the subject may hold, or his origin, that's not the problem; it just does not go in the first sentence. Unlike Peter Lorre, used as an example in the linked policy, Mortensen was born in the USA, started his career there and has always been considered an American actor. The fact that a Danish page considers him Danish is not really relevant. Wojcicki's page contradicts the official policy here exposed; in fact, it is Wojcicki's page that should be changed, not this one.
 * Gorpik (talk) 16:26, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * With all due respect but you're main argument of his nationality being solely American because of his birth and upbringing in the US is not sufficient at all. The subject of nationality and national identity is factually linked to one's given citizenship. Mortensen have American as well as Danish citizenship - furthermore he speaks the language (Danish that is) and have close familiar ties to the country. For staters his Surname should be a dead giveaway regarding his Danish heritage. His Danish citizenship is highly relevant in regards to his nationality. You're argument is vague and subjective at best.
 * Citizenship = nationality. It's that simple, there's really no way around it. Laroucan (talk) 11:38, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Neither me nor the article say that his nationality is solely American. Gorpik (talk) 11:43, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * His background before he became notable is well covered in the Early life section of the article. He lived in a lot of places and moved around a lot. His having Danish citizenship from his father is more trivia than anything else and just merits a sourced mention in the infobox. Otherwise it is a minor legality that has no bearing on anything notable he has done. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:46, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * His upbringing and nationality are two different things. Though I don't blame you for confusing the two. You made several arguments that are ranging from plain wrong to debatable and subjective in nature (not fit for an encyclopaedia)
 * His having Danish citizenship from his father is more trivia than anything else and just merits a sourced mention in the infobox. 
 * Your own subjective thoughts on his Danish citizenship Citizenship is irrelevant to the subject. To label it as "trivia" and a side note is questioning the whole concept of nationality. Fact is it's a legal status that by definition regards one's nationality - plain and simple, however unimportant and irrelevant you personally might find it. I'm basing my argument on the law you seem base yours on a much more vague concept of upbringing.
 * I don't know what classifies as major or minor legalities in your mind but this is certainly not a "minor legality" regarding the subject.
 * Tell me, if citizenship isn't an indicator regarding one's nationally then what is? Laroucan (talk) 23:17, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Where he did his notable activities is what is important. He's done nothing notable in Denmark. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:34, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * His achievements in Denmark are factually irrelevant when talking about his dual citizenship and thereby nationality. You're yet again defining his nationality based on subjective and vague parameters. Citizenship and hereby nationality is a legal status that's not really up for debate.


 * - The concept of 𝘕𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘪𝘵𝘺 however is a whole different subject that is based on sociology and cultural upbringings and is indeed up for debate - once again you’re confusing the two.Laroucan (talk) 21:03, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Going in circles now. See next section below for more about what goes in lead section of article and why. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:20, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Nationality in lead
MOS:CONTEXTBIO is very clear that what goes in the intro is where he did his notable activities which is the United States. He has done nothing notable in Denmark. He is an American actor, not a Danish actor. His dual citizenship is covered in the article sufficiently but the fact he has dual citizenship is irrelevant to why he is notable and where all his notable actives were done. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:14, 25 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Whether or not he has done anything notable in a country is irrelevant in terms of nationality. Viggo himself has stated in multiple articles and interview that he identifies as Danish-American. TheManTheyCallAdam (talk) 22:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The location of all his notable activities is very relevant as to what goes in the intro sentence and the lead. See the linked MOS section on the topic. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:00, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Himself stating that he identifies as Danish-American and that he feels at home in Denmark makes his weather or not he is notable for his work less relevant. TheManTheyCallAdam (talk) 22:11, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Lots of American people identify as some subtype of American, identifies that are very important to them, like African-American, Jewish-American or Mexican-American. We still put American in the intro sentence and talk to their ethnicity and ancestry in the early life section where it belongs. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:21, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a collection of personal pages. This article is not a reflection of what Mortensen wants to say or not about himself. Wikipedia has a clear set of guidelines, and the one linked by @Geraldo Perez is the one we must follow in this case. Gorpik (talk) 13:53, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Not a collection of personal data? There is a whole section called "Perssonal Life" TheManTheyCallAdam (talk) 23:44, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Not a collection of personal pages. Please do not misrepresent what I say if you want to discuss it. Gorpik (talk) 12:28, 14 December 2023 (UTC)