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Exile in Russia
There is very little information on Yanukovych's exile in Russia. Almost everything is on the event. But this is the bio article on the person. What a header like "Exile in Russia" should contain is information on what he is doing after he moved to Russia. Moving / copyediting. CapnZapp (talk) 16:20, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Strange passages in Personal life
The section "Personal life contains" the following two sentences:

Until 2004, Yanukovych was known as batia ("Dad") among his family members, but since that time he became "leader".

Yanukovych himself stated that his ex-wife did not wish for her grandson to pick up the bad habits of his grandfather, but Yanukovych did not specify what kind of habits those were.

While the first sentence is easy to understand (though its relevant seems a bit off), the context of the second is unclear. In fact, it is a very obscure stament. Is there a link between the changed family moniker and the bad habits?

Str1977 (talk) 21:32, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

"Disgraced"
I added the word "disgraced" to the first sentence, and an editor undid that twice without really giving any better reason than "unsourced." There are plenty of sources given in the article to verify that this is an ex-president who was deposed by his country's parliament and subsequently indicted and convicted of treason and sentenced to 13 years. It's difficult to see why the adjective disgraced is not fully warranted here. Richard75 (talk) 21:36, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Well I also mentioned WP:BLPSTYLE; which other articles of former leaders have "disgraced" in the first sentence? Yes there are plenty of sources about the conviction but where is "disgraced"? This is called WP:V. Regards. Mellk (talk) 14:35, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The Guardian, Vice, Reuters, The National Post, the BBC, Kyiv Independent, The Independent, The Spectator, AP News, NPR, The Economist, Politico, ABC. Richard75 (talk) 15:37, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, you found sources for it. But I wonder if there are other BLPs which have "disgraced" in the first sentence, because it may not be appropriate per MOS:OPENPARABIO. Mellk (talk) 15:42, 9 April 2022 (UTC)


 * It doesn't seem like appropriate encyclopedic language to me, particularly for the lead, irrespective of how well sourced such an assessment may be. I'm sure his reputation can be conveyed using a more neutral/professional tone. e.g. WP:IMPARTIAL/WP:ASTONISH. Jr8825  •  Talk  16:07, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Let's just remove the "statesman" thing (which was added last month by an IP user) and stick with politician. --Vacant0 (talk) 18:48, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

20-22 February 2014: murder of 88 protesters
The current WP article affirms: "Yanukovych's refuse to sign a Trade Association Agreement with the Western Europe originated massive protests that culminated in the murder of 88 demonstrators between the 20th and 22nd February 2014.[183][184][185][186] The threaty was signed on May 29, 2014 after his removal."

Cited sources agree about the number of 88 deaths, but not of the range of time during which they happened. A part of them refers those deaths happened in the night of 20th February, whereas others report that they have happened in the arch of two days.

Anyway,it is a fact with a high level of WP:notability, referenced by a variety of monographic and journalistic sources. Regards, Theologian81sp

Request to semi-protect page
Edit warring by an anonymous IP (edits contrary to consensus reached in this talk page), who has been warned not to. Richard75 (talk) 14:03, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Flight to Kharkiv
Something seems wrong with the following sentences: Footnotes and statements don't seem to fit together.


 * Yanukovych left Kyiv during the night of 21 February 2014. Assisted by Russian Spetsnaz [206] he moved initially to Kharkiv with bodyguards and personal effects.[207][c]


 * Footnote 206: The page linked (I) talks about Russian aid at a later point, when Yanukovitch went to Russia (and perhaps to Crimea). It mentions neither "Spetsnaz" nor Russian aid for the journey from Kiev to Kharkiv. The former seems to be confirmed by later references; the latter isn't and, to me, seems implausible (with Russian aid perhaps the first insuccessful attempt to cross the border would have been avoided). Is there any evidence for the second point?
 * Footnotes 207 and c: It is absolutely plausible that Yanukovitch left with "bodyguards and personal effects", but none of the three pages linked (II, III, IV) in the two footnotes confirms this.

I would suggest the following steps:
 * 1) Shorten the quoted statement to "Yanukovych left Kyiv during the night of 21 February 2014 and initially moved to Kharkiv". No footnote at this point, as all the information is confirmed by the (very good) NYT article referenced later in the paragraph.
 * 2) Add a short sentence on Russian support at the beginning or at the end of the next section, "arrival in Russia". Footnote c (which in turn has footnotes with links II and III) could be moved there. Link I could be moved to an additional footnote within footnote c (as it cites the same statement of Putin's as link II); link IV doesn't contain details on Yanukovitch's flight and can be omitted.

Does this make sense in your eyes?--Oudeís talk 20:13, 14 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I've changed it accordingly.--Oudeís talk 10:37, 23 May 2022 (UTC)