Talk:Villanelle

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I'm planning a major rewrite. Draft at User:Bmills/Villanelle.

Text as overwritten by Bmills 14:54, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC):

A villanelle (or occasionally villonelle) is a poem of nineteen lines, named for the French poet François Villon (1431-1474). It consists of five stanzas of three lines each (rhyme scheme A B A) with a quatrain (A B A A) at the end. In addition to the rhyme scheme, the first and third lines alternately recur throughout, and are repeated as the last two lines of the quatrain. An example of a villanelle is Edwin Arlington Robinson's The House On The Hill.

Originally a French poetic form, it is not easily adaptable to English (a notable exception being Dylan Thomas' "Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night".)

Confusion
Please define A1 and A2 more succinctly.

Or at least use the same notation in the description (A1, A2) as in the diagram (a,a,a) -- 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Confusion
I'll put the explanation of A1 and A2 back in and try to make it clearer.

--Amanda French 16:06, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Slate linked to this article
http://www.slate.com/id/2128464/tap2/ Kind of cool! Here's what it said: "The thank-you note, however, is a difficult form, only slightly less tricky than the villanelle."(Narkstraws 01:27, 22 October 2005 (UTC))

Copyright?
Do we have the proper copyright to quote an entire poem of Sylvia Plath's? I don't think that's public domain... --Khazar 17:45, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I took out the copyrighted poems myself awhile ago. --Amanda French 16:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Same question regarding the Dylan Thomas poem: I doubt that's in the public domain. Are we allowed to post the entire piece here? --Zaklog 00:07, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, people keep putting "Do not go gentle into that good night" up there in full, but it's got to be copyrighted! I think it even has its own wikipedia article. Stephen Fry's great book The Hippopotamus is narrated by a poet who bemoans how fast poetry goes into the "public" domain. . . I'll replace it with Edwin Arlington Robinson's "The House on the Hill" again. Sisyphean, this task. --Amanda French 02:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

For a variation, instead of removing "Do not go gentle..." entirely, I've left the first tercet and a link to a web site where one may legitimately read the full poem. We'll see how long that holds. --Paul A 07:36, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Paul A! Great idea. --Amanda French 16:14, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Credit where it's due: I got the idea from when Martin Wisse did it for his modern villanelle example. --Paul A 01:37, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Contradiction in etymology
The etymology section states that "The word villanelle derives from the Italian villanella, referring to a rustic song or dance..." while the 'See Also' section describes "Villanella, (plural villanelle) an Italian song form with a rustic theme, mistakenly cited as the origin of the villanelle." So is the Italian villanella song the origin of the villanelle form or not? Or is it the case that the form did not originate from the song but the etymology takes from the song? This seems confusing and possibly contradictory. Thanks! --2601:147:4180:AB00:3462:F193:4649:7AE9 (talk) 06:01, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Complement
Just go to :

https://www.guitareclassiquedelcamp.com/viewtopic.php?p=350722#p350722 90.113.21.1 (talk) 09:34, 22 October 2023 (UTC)