Talk:Villanova College (Australia)

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This page is heavily littered with crap. I am being blunt because this is true. Many quotes and teachings by St Augustine as well as the life story of the Augustinians comprises close to 30% of the article (this was larger before the music section was edited). Many of these sections were written by one student alone, and not necessarily a student with in-depth, verifiable knowledge of the school. Wikipedia is also not an advertising service. If prospective students want to know what subjects are on offer, they can enquire in person. Mindgoneawol 12:48, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * You need to sign your note so we know who you are. while I agree your "advertising service" crticism is one to be taken seriously, nevertheless, the Augustinian information is what makes the school distinctive (if I really understand what you are being "blunt" about). I should also point out that to assert something "is true" might (just might) be simply stating your own point of view emphatically.

If I do understand what it is you are referring to, this (footnoted and referenced) stuff isn't written by a student; it was collected and written by me S.T.B., B.Theol (and I know they are ONLY undergraduate degrees - but it is a bit better than a school student). I am not an ex student of the college either. Still working on the Masters. On the other hand, my view (agreeing with you) is that the subject stuff could just disappear (so why not just remove it? Be bold.) You might care to look at the Philippino Augustinian schools where the editors have gone right off the deep-end with the subject detail (I looked for blood-types, but I think they just forgot). On the other hand; if a school in the West teaches Latin, Greek, or Philosphy (for example); then this really starts to tell you that they are on a Western cultural mission, and I think this is both interesting and worth reporting on - particularly in the time of cultural conflict we live in. My view is that Augustinian philosophy is both relevant or important in undserstanding a  school; same as a Marxist one or an Anthroposophical approach ought to be identified and explained. Cor Unum 09:59, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

What a load of garbage. Check out every other AIC school in Brisbane and look at their article. The quotes that have been placed within different sections of the article are rubbish! Remove them! --Ironchef90 21:18, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Use of "Brother" or "Sister"
What is it with this generation?!. I have already spoken about this issue on the Sydney page. The schools have always been referred to (in my hearing) by the Augustinian friars as "sister schools" because it's not about the gender of the students, but as I recall, the gender of the latin word "schola" (school) which is of the feminine gender in the language. Likewise nations are called "she" in English (like Britain "Brittannia" or France "Gallia" - whose images are females), and cities are called "she" (ie. sister-cities, not brother cities (although urbs/urbem in neuter gender in Latin I think- so I need to do some research on this). The Germans weirdly call their nation the "Fatherland" (and look where it got them). No aspersions are being cast onto the boys of the school (or aged alumni like me either) by reference to "sister schools". I'll go away and look into this - but I'm pretty sure you're using a novel term here that is not traditionally the ways the schools have been described (and may be just wrong). I'll be back on this. Cor Unum 09:42, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

By the way, I think you will find that Loreto is NOT a sister school to Villanova. It is not Augustinian and is therefore not a sister school - even if your sister went there! Cor Unum 11:51, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Loreto College is a close school to Villanova, like Sommerville is to Churchie etc. But it is not our sister school. --Ironchef90 21:15, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Relevance and POV for recent additions
Certain new additions to this article need to be rewritten or removed since this page is deviating further and further from an effective encyclopaedic article on the College. The focus should not be on students who have recently been given various titles for different bodies or organisations within the school, no matter how important some students editing this article think that it is, or to give opinions on the actions of certain students. That is for the school yearbook, not for an encyclopaedic article on Villanova College, Coorparoo. Likewise, this article should not be just about current construction projects and should give more of an account on what already is a part of the College, rather than praising or justifying structures that are not even completed. I thank whoever has made significant changes to that section. Again, this should be an encyclopaedic article on Villanova College, written for anybody wishing to find out about the College and who has access to this encyclopaedia. I understand that people might like to add new information when it appears, but they should consider it's relevancy to the article as a whole. Also, while I am not saying that I know it to be wrong, there is no need to include points of view on the achievements of building projects or student bodies that others may differ on, and should not be expressed as such in an encylopaedic article in any event. I have not made any edits, nor have I deleted content. I just ask that people consider the appropriateness of what they add; this is a wiki so that all may contribute information that is relevant to the article.

Copyright violation
I have discovered that the article contains material copied from the school website, and urgently needs to be rewritten or reverted to a non-infringing version. - Mike Rosoft 21:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Of course it does. We students aren't going to re-write what we wrote for the websites. Besides, the website is not copyrighted.Mindgoneawol 12:38, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, sorry to bust you bubble, but it is!! At the bottom of the Main/ Home Page sits the words (c) Villanova College 2007, so unless there is something rendering it null and void, it is copyrighted!! Kiwi0012 12:26, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * just to second this, the school website IS Copyrighted. You cannot just copy it in here, and it must be re-written. Rimmeraj 04:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I have attempted to cull the opinions from the article, can someone highlight any content still remaining from the official website. Rimmeraj 04:41, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

July 2011 Assessment
This assessment has been requested by an editor from the Schools Project. At the time of this assessment, the article was a C class article, graded Low importance to the Schools Project, so I am using the B class criteria for assessment.


 * The article is suitably referenced, with inline citations where necessary.✅
 * There is considerable referencing, though to go from a "B" to a higher classification, some more will be needed. Another barrier to higher classification would be the lack of third party referencing.  It looks like a vast majority of the references are from the school itself.


 * The article reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain obvious omissions or inaccuracies.
 * The history section is relatively short, but this is not unexpected for a school founded in 1948. I am concerned that the school is listed as being located in Whinstanes until 1953, but the last sentence of that section says that consideration of the move wasn't until 1954.  The first sentence of the next section states the school reopened in 1953.  I think this can be easily fixed, but it seems to be a critical issue.


 * The article has a defined structure.✅
 * No major issues here.


 * The article is reasonably well-written.
 * My main concern is that it is written in too many ways to be a self promotional school website. For example:

In 1954 a decision was made to move the college due to lack of prospects for expansion at Whinstanes, a property was found at Coorparoo, where the college was transferred to and has flourished ever since. should end more neutrally. Noting the namesake patron saint is important, but an entire section on his life is overkill. Noting the association will allow readers to link to his article. ''Today, the complete Good Counsel facility is now dedicated solely to the middle school encompassing only teaching areas. '' -- "Today" and "now" is redundant. In the "facilities" section, it is not encyclopedic to note who opened, blessed, etc each section of the school, unless this person was notable (local cardinal, pope, prime minister, etc). In general, people beyond the leader of the school are not mentioned unless they meet the notability policy. In the notable alumni section: any alumni who do not meet the general notability guideline, or the particular notability guidelines for particular careers, must be removed. As a general rule of thumb, if the person is not the subject of a Wikipedia article, the alum should be delisted. The test scores are referenced from the school itself. This is really problematic. It would help a great deal if test scores could be referenced from an independent agency. The list of every team in the sporting leagues should be eliminated. Noting the league is a good idea ... but not listing the individual teams.
 * The prose contains no major grammatical errors and flows sensibly, but it certainly need not be "brilliant". The Manual of Style need not be followed rigorously.✅
 * I caught one typo, and this was fixed. Otherwise, it reads quite well.


 * The article contains supporting materials where appropriate.✅
 * The miniflag icon was removed per WP:MOS. My minor concern is that there may be too many pictures that are not really enhancing the article.  The pictures of the school/school life are great.  Including a few picture of alumni are fine.  Including a picture of the patron saint is also a good idea.  Aside from that, the article might have too many pictures that are ancillary to the point of the article.


 * The article presents its content in an appropriately understandable way.✅
 * Despite a cultural difference, I was able to understand all of the main points of the article, which I think isn't a bad test for this point.

Conclusion: Overall, this is a strong article. I think the points keeping this from a "B" article are easy to correct. I don't see anything in the article that suggests moving this article from "Low" importance in the schools project. I encourage editors to continue their work, and file for reassessment. Also, consider reviewing the criteria for a featured article to take the article to the next level. Truly best of luck! LonelyBeacon (talk) 05:46, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 July 2014
Hello in relation to the House Colours I think the Goold house colour should state Gold (not yellow as stated) to be consistent with school colours. Do you agree? Regards

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Relevance of Curriculum, much of Co-curriculum, and Facilities Sections
It is pretty clear that most of the information in these sections is unencyclopedic and contains an excessive amount of intricate detail. There is also not much of a way to reference a lot of the information in these sections, so there is no point in leaving it there for someone to cite if nothing exists on the topic. I propose that the Curriculum section of the article is removed, the debating, technology and cultural and spiritual subsections of Co-curriculum are removed, and the facilities section is heavily reduced to just the names of the facilities (if a source is found within a few weeks, otherwise remove wholly). TheLachstar (talk) 12:03, 17 October 2022 (UTC)