Talk:Ville Valo/Archive 2

Genre issue
I believe that the HIM website has said/says and that Ville himself has said that the bands music is 'love metal' when asked to classify it, anyway it's got no classification, it's just the language of music. To change the genre will I have to cite this? If you upload one of their cd's onto your Itunes, or even just search them on itunes, HIM comes back as rock or alt. rock. One of the two. And wouldn't the genre bit belong on the HIM wiki to begin with? Also, I deleted someone off of the talk page saying something about changing what is written on Wikipedia. Congratulations but we don't care. --DevilStar 02:42, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The slight problem is that Love Metal is not an encyclopedic genre, whereas rock/alt are. There is no article detailing what Love Metal is as it's only HIM that use the term and no other bands have been described under this genre making it a non-notable genre to non HIM fans. Also a lot of people, who aren't HIM fans, don't really understand the term Love Metal without having to explain it. But the fact that the band describe themselves as Love Metal is detailed in the HIM article under the genre section along with the other genres in their music. But it's worth a mention bringing up that Ville created the term (with references) in this article. But putting Love Metal in the infobox only confuses the readers who are trying to find out more about the band as there is no article to describe the origin, notability and other bands of this genre. That can explain why it reads "debated" in the info box sometimes. AngelOfSadness  talk  21:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

First off, my apologies for changing it to "Love Metal" so many times without understanding the issue. Second, I would not classify HIM as Alternative Rock, and iTunes is a bad way to discover musical genres. When I upload Rammstein, some of the albums are "Industrial", some are "Metal", but the CDs are largely the same material. If I were to call HIM a defined subgenre, it'd be Alternative Metal. Alternative Rock brings to mind Matchbox 20, Paulo Nutini, and music much softer than what HIM is capable of. Venus Doom (or Dark Light, I forget which album) is considered Metal by iTunes, so HIM definitely could have that label. Plus, if they started as a Black Sabbath tribute band as I've read elsewhere, they'd definitely be metal. They even use the "War Pigs chord" in Venus Doom's title track. Alternative Rock just seems like a "soft" genre label for Ville and HIM.JohannHenrik (talk) 21:11, 27 May 2008 (UTC)JohannHenrik

Where did the info go?
It seems everyone has been talking about cleaning up the page and that's nice... Except where did all the information go? There's nothing on here you can't get off their website. Which makes this page a useless placeholder. --68.56.209.11 03:08, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * A lot of it was deleted because it was unreferenced for a long time. I plan to re-insert the text with sources but I can't find the time to do that currently. AngelOfSadness  talk  16:18, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

There was a lot of editing done to the page because of referencing links, I know, but with what's left on the page it might as well all be on the HIM wiki page. Either update it or merge it and let someone make a new page. As said... This page is kind of useless at the moment. Riku (talk) 00:31, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not completely useless, I mean you won't find the complete list of his solo projects on the website. If it's merged the list will end up deleted as it is irrelevant information to the band article. I'll do some major edits on this article now and a few more at the weekend. Once it's merged, chances are, no-one will be bothered to re-create it (I say no-one will be bothered because the article has been like this for nearly three months and no-one has done anything to it to improve it besides very minor edits. And that's something I don't what to see happening. AngelOfSadness  talk  16:47, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Links clean-up
Woah... Someone really needs to sort the reference links out... a few are un-named, one is in caps... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.16.122 (talk) 03:54, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed all the links AngelOfSadness  talk  17:19, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

early life
is it necessary to have that he was born at 2:28am —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.164.128.82 (talk) 08:55, 6 April 2007 (UTC).

Yes, yes it is. Maurauth 11:31, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

HONESTLY! Now, the same goes for "8:28 am" Why do we need to know this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wickedxjade (talk • contribs) 23:52, 14 April 2007 (UTC).


 * It's an unimportant, and at this point, unverifiable piece of trivia that doesn't need to be added and the time kept changing throughout it's period here on Wikipedia, from 2:28 to 8:28. Either way, it's unimportant what minute he was born. — The Future 06:11, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I know this is unrelated, but this article really needs to cite its sources. The lack of citations makes much of this looks like independent research or speculation. 71.134.227.255 17:55, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Engagement
Is this info correct? He stated in a Radio Bam interview (on 3 December 2007 if my memory is correct) that he was currently single. He's a fast worker if he got engaged four days later...

Edit: I just checked the page cited as a reference and it doesn't mention an engagement, so I think this can probably be removed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.9.146.23 (talk) 23:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

From my understanding, he broke off his engagement with Jonna Nygren in late-2006 or early-2007. There should really be some sort of "Personal Life" section for him on this page for that particular saga of his life and many other issues,though.

[edit] Well I was right about the 2006 part. Ville and Jonna haven't been together since March 2006.  [/edit]

CreepyXCrawler (talk) 20:10, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

This sentence is amusing, but...
not entirely accurate.

"Valo's first musical step was as a three year old bongo drummer."

From memory, the story is more along the lines that one of his father's friends was an elvis impersonator, and one day while the Elvis impersonator was singing Ville started tapping on some bongo drums. I'm sure someone can state it better than that, but the sentence as it currently stands is slightly misleading. (It makes it sound as though it was a major hobby or he was having lessons every week on the bongo's - which if he did, isn't public information and I doubt it anyway). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.9.146.23 (talk) 03:06, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Info
I just looked at this page for the first time and it seems to me there is nothing really about HIM, which is his major work, yet all we get on this page is a few sentances on HIM and then a long list of misleading 'side projects'. Im not sure why they are all quoted as 'something something....& Ville Valo' because i looked at the links from these and it turns out he did guest vocals or something or was in a video, so the description of these seems misleading because it looks like he was involved with them...Drmotley (talk) 15:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

rock alternative?????
rock alternative? like a Placebo,Radiohead,Bush,30 Seconds to mars??? bad Info about genre of HIM,they are Love Metal,Gothic rock,Metal Alternative,Hard Rock....the wikipedia in English is horrible,bad work Yankees! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Albertrocker (talk • contribs) 14:22, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, consensus on the HIM article was to list it as alternative rock, and BTW, love metal is not a real genre. Sorry, — M o e   ε  16:34, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

rock alternative????? what is your problem????!!!!
alternative rock??????????(like a placebo,radiohead,30stm)... To the ignorant people who put this genre: Do you even know what Alternative Rock is??? How can you label HIM as Alternative Rock??? The latest album might have some elements of it, but HIM is NOT an Alternative Rock band... They have Gothic Rock elements, Metal elements, Glam Rock elements and much more...they are love metal —Preceding unsigned comment added by Albertrocker (talk • contribs) 20:15, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Love metal is not a real genre, sorry. — M o e   ε  16:33, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Alternative Rock is a HUGE umbrella, if it is rock, but is a bit different from the mainstream, you call it Alternative. Alternative is a general term, like rock, or Rap, there are many sub genres that exist.--Samushi101 (talk) 22:19, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

HIM is not exactly a Alternative rock, or progrock bad. They have some elements from those geners, but they are a mix of'em I guess. And I think love metal is a good discription for their type of music. They have som Gothic Rock, Progrock, Alternative rock, and some other things going on in their songs. But the are a metal rally. And they are damn good! HIM♥ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.90.143.204 (talk) 11:32, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Voicetype
He sounds more like a Bass - Baritone instead of Bass. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.218.213.143 (talk) 11:11, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

The source in the article says otherwise. Please do not change his voice type to "bass" again. Tribal44 (talk) 01:02, 1 June 2009 (UTC)Tribal44

"Baritone" is an umbrella term because it's the most common male vocal range; the article just says "baritone crooning", and unless Jen Cray is a vocal expert, I think his voice type should be eliminated from his article entirely. Even the Wikipedia entry for baritones shows the general scale as low A to high A. Valo can go well below that range (putting him in the bass-baritone realm), as demonstrated in "Venus Doom". However, without shouting, he's never gone above a high F, as demonstrated in "Rip Out the Wings of a Butterfly". There's an even larger general discussion regarding vocalists like Ozzy Osbourne, who don't have classical voices in the first place here:. JohannHenrik (talk) 05:18, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism by 66.184.170.186 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:66.184.170.186)
I'm a noob and don't know how to report vandalism properly, but first prefixes of http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ville_Valo&oldid=319540883 and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ville_Valo&oldid=319628843 are pretty self-explanatory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.130.17.3

Uh, what the crap does "prefixes" do there. I of course meant "paragraphs". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.130.17.3 (talk) 11:19, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Alcoholism
It's right in the SG interview in the links. The other was it's origins from a legit site. Why was it removed? CreepyXCrawler (talk) 17:46, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Ville is NOT a bass-baritone.
Whoever keeps changing the vocal range to "bass-baritone" needs to stop. There was a source on him having a "baritone" range, but its been deleted somehow. But PLEASE stop changing it to "bass-baritone". Thank you. QuoteTheRavenHair (talk) 23:42, 26 December 2010 (UTC)QuoteTheRavenHair

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