Talk:Vince McMahon/Archive 1

Billionaire?
I thought McMahon dropped off the billionaires list back in 2001? He's not on the Forbes list of billionares


 * According to Wrestleview.com he's not a billionaire. This is backed up by SEC.Edgar-online.com which says he owns about 56m shares. At their current value (about $16) he's worth approx $900m. I'm therefore once again removing the "billionaire" claim unless someone can cite me a reliable source saying otherwise. --DeLarge 08:16, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Here's a more current article based on Forbes 2006 billionaire listing: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=a3mkJLePzIag&refer=us McMahon's billionaire status might have been a exaggeration. --Jtalledo (talk) 00:55, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes his shares would make him worth under 900 Million, but when assets and other investments (such as his homes) are added, it easily pushes him past the billionaire mark

Pseudo-Billionaire? If you wanted to buy the company you would have to pay what he asked for his special voting shares whose rights allow him to control the company 12:51, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Vital statistics
Is Vince only 220lb??(Halbared 15:54, 3 June 2006 (UTC))

poor wording in the article
"the two worked to take the pro wrestling business to places that no one ever deemed imaginable."

What the heck is this? In order for something to be deeemed something else, by definition, that something must have been imaginable. A different word should be picked and I don't give half a crap what.

New Era
This new era is featuring alot of shoots and breaking of kayfabe, especially the court room scene on December 5th RAW where Chris Masters was referred to as his real surname Mordetsky in terms of lying under oath. Hi.

I don't really think this was breaking kayfabe as in these situations (even though it wasn't real) you have to use your real name. K-man-1 11:19, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Family
I'm nearly 100% sure vince has another daughter, cant think of her name, who is just not well known because she is not involved in wrestling in any way. -C. Razor
 * You may be thinking of Marissa McMahon, Shane's wife and Vince's daughter-in-law. I've never seen anything that says Vince has another biological daughter. --Chrysaor 18:27, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

Early career
The article implies that McMahon basically bought the WWF from under his father's nose in a hostile takeover. Is this accurate? If so, it should be made explicit, or re-worded if was spome kind of inheritance dodge.

yes, this is the case.
 * Well, hold on. That's not exactly true. It was a takeover, but it wasn't exactly hostile. After Vince proved to his father that he had promoting talent, he allowed his son to buy the company. --Chrysaor 21:37, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)


 * ---you are incorrect. there was no blessing for the younger vince. the other promoters even plotted to kill vince at one point! WillC


 * A hostile takeover of Capitol Wrestling implies that Vince McMahon, Sr., not other promoters, was opposed to the takeover. Promoters that plotted to kill Vince were NWA promoters that Vince either bought out or had enroached on their territory, not Vince McMahon, Sr., and this was after Vince took over the company from his father. [pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=7677&p=1 This biography of Vince], written by Pro Wrestling Insider, explains the difference. It mentions that Vince Sr. was initially opposed to his son entering the wrestling business, but there is no mention of him objecting when his son bought his company, or that it was a hostile takeover. --Chrysaor 18:21, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)

There was no hostile takeover, for it to be hostile 10 men would have had to turn against McMahon sr. including Monsoon. That's not the way it happened at all. What Vince's father did NOT approve of was his son's HOSTILE TAKEOVER of OTHER territories. As far as the other promoter plotting to kill him, please cite a reference to this.

No, it was not a hostile takeover. I have a book recounting Vinces career and it says that Vince Sr. finally decided to sell the company and offering Vince Jr. a chance to buy it. Part of the buy deal was that Vince Jr. needed to pay Vince Sr. some sort of fee and if he missed any of the payments Vince Sr. could nullify the sale.User:Killswitch Engage

Vince in Maryland and Delaware
I heard his family used to have a vacation home on Delmarva. Is it true?
 * I've heard of that as well, but I do not find it really relevant unless something significant happened there.

The Controversy Section
I have seen the actual video footage of McMahon using the "N" word on Cena at last year's Survivor Series, although finding that video clip on the internet is very difficult to achieve. If anyone (or the one who provided this Controversy section to the article) has the actual video clip of that particular backstage promo, feel free to contribute it as well. There is an online blog somewhere on the web that has a video clip of the promo posted, but currently, it is down. If at any moment, the author of that blog is able to fix the video link, I feel it is appropriate to provide that link here:

Yo buddy all you to do is get the Survivor Series DVD, go to extras and find the scene.--Killswitch Engage 23:55, 23 March 2006 (UTC)Killswitch Engage

Here's the link to the videoclip. It works! The video is clear and the evidence is irrefutable -- http://playahata.com/hatablog/?p=1101

Archival McTannith 04:20, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I have removed the "N word" segment from the controversy section as it didn't cause any real controversy (internet whinings don't count as controversy, ok?) Matt

But he did say it. It's an irrefutable fact. Check the link above, which I provided. It has the videoclip of him using the "N" word. By the way, how can it not be counted as a controversy? And your comment about "whinings" is subjective. It isn't a very NPOV description of anything. For the most part, it seems you are defending McMahon's actions by using the term "whining" to demonize those who rightfully point out the fact that he did say "My Nigga" to John Cena. You can't deny history. Archival McTannith 04:06, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

You can't upload video clips to Wikipedia. Also, saying something that could be controversial doesn't necessarily cause controversy. --  T H  L  04:20, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

But it did cause controversy. It may have not caused a big controversy, but it certainly caused a controversy nonetheless. Archival McTannith 03:16, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Where is there any proof that it caused controversy?

Three links to wrestling boards does not a controversy make. Otherwise everything that ever happened would be controversial because some fanboys were there to argue about it. I removed this so-called controversy.Stardog101 20:13, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Vince allegedly assaulted a woman in the mid-90s
I remember watching on 20/20 around 1995, some woman who claimed Vince got her in his limo and forced her to put her hands on his penis. This definitely needs to be added to the article! Buzda 05:42, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Can you provide a link or some sort of proof that this happened, or even that such a claim was made? Certainly, this sexual harassment allegation you say happened needs to be substantiated before it can be added. Briguy52748 20:30, 6 June 2006 (UTC)]]
 * really, that sounds like it definately nedds a mention

Cleanup
This article is very long and contains a lot of crap (especially with the weekly play-by-play of the HBK and HHH feuds) that I don't have time right now to fix. I encourage everyone to look and removing non-relevant material. --TheTruthiness 20:53, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I think some of this stuff should forked into an article or a section should be created called Mr. McMahon, focusing on the kayfabe stuff rather than real life. The on camera stuff just gets mixed in with the real life bio. --Jtalledo (talk) 18:43, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I removed most of the kayfabe stuff and summarized his on-camera exploits. The focus in this article should be on his real-life accomplishments, as opposed to events related to the fictional character. --Jtalledo (talk) 23:57, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I removed the cleanup tag, it's below the "may be too long" size limit and looks a lot cleaner. I think the Mr. McMahon article might be a good idea, but no other wrestler has it seperate do I don't know if we need it.  --TheTruthiness 01:24, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Current name
As he is a heel right now, isn't "Mr. McMahon" his current on-screen name, and therefore to be bolded? I'll make the change, and check back later to see if there are any problems. Tromboneguy0186 07:15, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that sounds right. --Jtalledo (talk) 12:04, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

What in the world is this in the controversy
"he told a WWE stunt technician to sabotage the harness of which Owen Hart was to descend from, which led to his death, rumoured to be due to Owen's erratic behaviour backstage. In other words, Owen's death was a punishment." This absolutely looks fake because even if this was real would Vince Mcmahon actually say this on tv? I am taking that part off that is rediculous Bill102 16:49, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree. It is Ridiculous to accuse someone of murder without any evidence whatsoever. This was either an act of vandalism or someone with a grudge. There is no reason to keep this. --Edgelord 23:25, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Please show good faith on wikipedia. TareTone 08:59, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Name of opening theme song?
Does anyone have the name of Vince McMahon's opening theme song, and/or has a link where i can download it?

Hey Dee-Dee-Dee! The name of his song is No Chance (In Hell)! And you can download it here, but if you don't download it in seven days it will be deleted so hurry up and you should sign your name dude if you ask questions like that. 2wordsforya 14:39, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

HORRIBLE grammar
This article needs a serious rewrite because the grammar makes it almost unreadable.

Be bold and fix the problem, that's what the Wiki format is all about. The  Hybrid  22:46, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I cleaned up an especially hideous sentence in the trial section.Stardog101 20:21, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Why?
Why the fuck is Bret Hart/The Montreal Screwjob not mentioned in this article?64.12.117.8 06:15, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

What are you talking about? It's mentioned in the "Mr. McMahon" section with a link to the article about it. --Ultimo Camdawg 22:52, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, whoops, the comment is a month old. --Ultimo Camdawg 07:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

vandalism
do the personal life section again please

Eric Bischoff comment
The article states briefly that Eric Bischoff in his book said that without him there would be no Mr. McMahon. Can anyone add more to this comment such as why Bischoff says this? --Ultimo Camdawg 05:03, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I believe it goes back to the Montreal Screwjob. Prior to Survivor Series 1997, where the Screwjob took place, Bret Hart had signed with WCW. McMahon was afraid Hart would show up on the next episode of WCW Monday Nitro with the WWF Championship. Two years earlier, Bischoff had Alundra Blaze, aka Madusa, dump the WWF Women's Title in a trash can on Nitro. McMahon was afraid Bischoff would have Bret Hart do the same thing, and that led to the Screwjob.

Afterwards, McMahon used the genuine heat he receieved from this to create the Mr. McMahon character. NewPasha 20:13, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I know that the Montreal Screwjob was where McMahon got the heat to make his character, but is Eric Bischoff claiming that if he wasn't interested in getting Bret Hart that there would be no Mr. McMahon character? I want to know what Bischoff said instead of an observation of the events. --Ultimo Camdawg 23:59, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if he actually said that in his book or not, but on TV he said that word for word. No explanation given. --  T H  L  R CCD 01:46, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, he didn't explain why, but he did say word for word that without him there would be no Mr. McMahon. And that seems like the most sensible explanation. 63.215.29.185 22:12, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Considering the fact that if Bret had not gone to WCW there would have been no screwjob, and thus, Vince wouldn't have had the massive negative heat that he did, odds are fairly strong that he would have continued to play the "good guy" role he had the entire time he filled an on-camera role in the WWF. In that sense, Bishoff could indeed claim that his actions helped lead to McMahon's new character. On the other hand, using similar logic, Bishoff could also claim to have been the main reason for the WWF's resurgence against the WCW, since it was his firing of Steve Austin that allowed him to craft his "Stone Cold" gimmick, which was honed against "Mr. McMahon". I'd say the truth or no of such statements doesn't matter too much as long as they're being presented as Bishoff's opinion, and not factual info. Hossenfeffer 20:28, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Kiss my ass club
That gimmick did not deserve a whole section to itself, and as such has been deleated.


 * You cannot unilaterally delete a section for the reason stated. I believe that the kiss my ass club is notable enough to merit inclusion in this article and have reinstated it. Further comments and opinions are solicited to determine an outcome. Soltak | Talk 00:44, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It's been deleted again along with the firings section. Ken S. 12:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You can't just go deleting whole sections because you feel like it. You have to discuss these things here on the article's talk page first. Blanking whole sections without first getting consensus like that is vandalism. I believe they are a huge part of his character and thus should be in the article. Bmg 916 SpeakSign 12:56, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

McMahon vs. Trump
Why did Mr.McMahon keep saying he has more money then Donald Trump i mean who cares they'er both loaded. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 700 mb (talk) 21:44, 5 February 2007 (UTC).
 * It's all about the storyline, and the pride that his character has on being successful; he doesn't like being second in anything. Anakinjmt 02:12, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

How come theres no mention of McMahon going bald? 71.249.82.78 00:50, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I think we should also update his picture to one of present day (bald). 208.104.254.236 22:18, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

steroids missing
Any mention of the steroids case is gone, went back through a couple pages of history and couldnt find it, despite it being in googles cache and many other sites reference it. What happened? was it just vandalism that was forgotten? - M ask  02:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I went back through the history, found it, and re-inserted it, thanks for noticing! Bmg 916 SpeakSign 13:04, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

ecw
On wwe.com he is in the ecw superstar section so he is an official ecw superstar not raw or smackdown.
 * Agreed, he used to be on the Raw Superstars page, however the artice says he appears on onll three brands, which is accurate, no edit needed.Sephiroth storm 02:38, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm still shocked that he's ECW champion. Clen_17 9:44, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Trump/McMahon Feud
Since Trump isnt appearing on WWE television anymore shouldn't the part about his current feud with Bobby Lashley be put into a new section?

Rc Her 22:20, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Vince McMahon, Dr.h.c.
As reported on WWE.com, Vince McMahon has recieved an honorary doctorate degree by Sacred Heart University. According to the wikipedia article on this, he can use the title of "Doctor" but the most common usage is "Dr.h.c." after the recipients name. I've added it onto Vince McMahon's title as it's supported by the information provided. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bbx118 (talk • contribs)
 * I removed the reference in the opening to McMahon being a doctor because it's just an honorary degree. I think such a reference doesn't serve the purpose of best conveying information. Readers may get the incorrect impression that he completed a doctoral program. Many celebrities have received honorary doctorates and I don't see them referred to as doctor in their intro paragraphs or as a general practice. A mention of the honorary doctorate, clearly pointing out that it is honorary in the text, might be appropriate elsewhere in the article. --JamesAM 01:03, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

(HideAndGoSeek 15:21, 14 June 2007 (UTC)) Agreed, even though he was awarded, it should be clearly stated in the articale (if it were to be added) that it was honorary. Make sure that its very clear as well, making sure the readers do not get the wrong impression of facts.

Doctor of Hardcore
AS of Vince McMagon's degree from Sacred Heart University, Jim Ross has given him the title "Doctor of Hardcore". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.148.232.34 (talk) 06:41, 15 May 2007 (UTC).

Merge
If there are no objections, I'd like to merge the McMahon DVD section of this article to McMahon (documentary). As most of the information is redundant, it is useless to have two separate articles that discuss it. Plus, the other article goes into more detail, and it'll prevent Vince's article from becoming too lengthy. I'll probably do it in a couple of days to give anyone time to oppose if they want. Nikki311 02:06, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

No objections here, but make sure the Mr. Mcmahon article has a link to the Documentary article (Sawyer 04:29, 13 June 2007 (UTC))

East Carolina University Vince's School
It is East Carolina University not East Carolina State University. Although ECU is a North Carolina Funded University the word state is not in the name of the University.

picture
does anybody else think we should add a more recent picture of vince user:sub619 20:32, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, preferably one with his new, shorter hair. It should be easy to find one on WWE.com, what with all their coverage of his "death." (Sawyer 04:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC))

ill lookuser:sub619 20:23, 13 June 2007 (UTC)