Talk:Vince McMahon/Archive 3

Fantasy aspect of wrestling
Are there any guidelines about how to present a piece which deals with an inherently make-believe world such as wrestling? It isn't a criticism, but individuals such as McMahon clearly have a 'persona' acting out in public for the purpose of entertainment and what could be called a 'private personality' which is separate.

It seems incongrous to talk about various on-screen wrestling 'feuds' for instance, in the same location, tone and style as talking about his company's management and financing (and other things like the accusations of rape).

Unless these are clearly separated - and the entertainment aspects put into context - it could be difficult to define it as a proper encyclopedia entry.

If this was changed would it cause an uproar? If so, why?

Cheers

SwatchNYC, Nov 17

Illegitimate Child
This is well worth noting in the McMahon Strikes Back part of the article or creating a new section for it under his storylines section. 82.4.71.30 03:35, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Is this kayfabe?

Yes, it's completely kayfabe. But this isn't forum, ask on a wrestling discussion board elsewhere next time. Gavyn Sykes 00:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The next time someone asks a simple question, perhaps you can try to not respond like a stuck up jackass -me

What are you talking about? It seems to me like you're the one being a stuck up jackass. All he did was answer your question and tell you what was stated at the top of this talk page. So next time someone answers a question for you, try not to be a total jackass to them. 68.54.174.43 16:47, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Firings
I'm pretty sure that the list of people McMahon has fired is much longer than the one given in the article (and also, Jim Ross was fired multiple times on-screen). So the question is, should we expand it, to include all the other on-screen firings, or should we instead trim it down, including only the more notable firings, and rename it a "selected list"? Calgary 21:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * You're right, this list goes far beyond what it actually has. This is clearly list cruft, and has been removed. — M o e   ε  23:31, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

The fireings were important for angles so if you delete that than the kiss my ass list has got to go too —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnnycash316 (talk • contribs) 02:30, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

"You're fired"
While the article mentions the parallels between McMahon's and Trump's "You're fired" proclamations, the regular on-screen declaration goes back a few more decades, to Mr. Spacely's regular firings of George Jetson on The Jetsons. McMahon's method of saying it, although not as bombastic, seems to parallel Spacely's. 66.217.50.209 19:41, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Edits from World Wrestling Entertainment
Take a look at what the Wikipedia scanner pulled up for edits coming from the World Wrestling Entertainment headquarters. Four edits to this talk page about how we should have a section on Mr. McMahon's 'death' by limo explosion. Thought that might raise a few brows. — M o e   ε  21:05, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yep, I've just noticed. Davnel03 19:19, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * There edits:- edit 1, edit 2, edit 3 and edit 4. I'm going to keep a VERY close eye on their edits. Hey, let's check TNA's edits.... (if any) Davnel03 19:24, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Tried to check for TNA ediing, but nothimg comes up. — M o e   ε  19:21, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Your suspicions are confirmed by a little birdie called whois.net. It tells me for 64.201.8.250:

MISSINGNO. was here. 16:04, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Under Involvent in Storylines...
Should we add Melina to the list of divas Vince has put himself into sexual angles with? There was the whole thing on SNME, and their conversation on the subsequent RAW. (Sawyer 20:24, 22 August 2007 (UTC))


 * That's not really important. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 01:15, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

themesong
how come you guys don't have his theme song down here —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)


 * It's added. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 17:22, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Mr.mcmahons age
on monday augest 26th mr.mcmahon was celebratning his 50th birthday dosent that mean hes fifty and not 62? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.208.231.26 (talk) 18:19, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Most likely kayfabe, did he even remotely look 49 last week? No sources verify that he was born in 1957. — M o e   ε  00:16, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Come on think about it. It was treated as a joke on TV was taken as a joke. Vince is 62 not 50SimonD 15:13, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Triple H called Vince 70 years old. It was a joke, since Vince was trying to go low, and HHH went high. It is 62, I am sure. 75.162.42.244


 * Another point; Shane McMahon made a note last year that they tried celebrating his dad's [Vince]'s 61st birthday...... Hope you caught up. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 23:10, 06 September 2007 (UTC)

Separate articles for Vince McMahon and Mr. McMahon?
For example how it's done with Stephen Colbert. "Vince McMahon" would be an article about McMahon's personal life, etc., while "Mr. McMahon" would be an article about the character he plays on TV. I am sure there is sufficient information on both subjects to make the move, and it would help keep wikipedia consistent with how other articles are done involving a real life person and a character they play on TV. Anybody agree or disagree? RealFerrari 08:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


 * no because then, the Vince articles would be a stub because most pro wrestling bios are just about their careers.-- Tr U cO 93 11  21:44, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I strongly agree - see 'fantasy aspect of wrestling above'. It is inherently problematic putting real vs fictional information together in the same article. I'll leave it a couple of days to see what debate arises before doing any revisions. There must be a good way of cleaning this up to make the distinction clear but without leaving just stubs. Swatch, Nov 19 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.168.128.53 (talk) 17:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I actually like the idea. All business pioneers have their own biographies. The "Vince McMahon" article would be about this personal life, business decisions and backstage stuff, while "Mr. McMahon" would be about his on-screen persona and career as a pro wrestler.  Lex   T / C    Guest Book    02:54, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * If we did that, we would have to do it to The Undertaker, JBL, JR, Batista, Cena, Kane, Jamie Noble, Finlay, Rey Mysterio... no point, and to hard. I kinda think ther is NO POINT WHAT-SO-EVER. There, that sums it up.Altenhofen (talk) 01:53, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Vince's amatuer wrestling carrer
I've heard that Vince took 2nd in the New York State Wrestling Championships as a senior in High School and turned down several college wrestling scholarships to concentrate on academics. Was wondering if anybody who knows how to acess the NY state wrestling records could confirm this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.98.76.123 (talk • contribs)

No Executive Producer credits
Nothing about his involvment in Scorpion King, The Marine, and other movies that The Rock or John Cena did? --135.214.150.100 22:14, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

tr iw addition
Can someoıne please add tr iw to the article. [ [tr:Vince McMahon]] thanks--Manco Capaq 07:58, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Cartoon Network Lawsuit
Removed the information about the alleged lawsuit filed by Cartoon Network. While it was reported on a number of wrestling websites, it was later mentioned as a false report on other sites, and there's been no corroborative report since. Thekithless (talk) 23:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Hogan with WWF in the 80's
The article currently states that McMahon brought Hogan to the WWF in 1984, but I believe it was actually 1983. 68.254.168.132 (talk) 13:12, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Vince McMahon Myspace
http://www.myspace.com/wwechairmanvkm is this really Vince's myspace becuase on Matt Hardy's it says these are the only M'Fers on myspace and Vince isnt one of them. But if it is fake who ever made it is pretty good. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.208.247.160 (talk) 17:57, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


 * That is obviously a fake. I don't think he would post photos of him with WWF logos. Also don't think a man of that business would have time to log onto Myspace everyday, and be logged on everyday.-- T r  U  C o 9 31 1 22:52, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Mr.McMahon
Well shouldn't the Mr.McMahon section go under the Wrestling section since that is mostly his ring name/on air name in wrestling. But if that were so how would we fit the other sections into the Mr.McMahon section like the {Death Storyline/2007-present}.-- T r  U  C o 9 31 1 22:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

hornswoggle joining club
hornswoggle joined the club last monday and bit his butt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.82.9.58 (talk) 21:59, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Biting =/= kissing, so no dice. Doesn't go into the article. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 23:04, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

trish stratus did not kiss vince'ass and is in the list

Bloating
The 2007-08 Mr. McMahon section is overflowing with week-by-week plot summaries and desperately needs to be cut down. Tnova4 (talk) 09:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Jetsons is common knowledge
Someone deleted my statement about Spacely firing Jetson because it's "original info." It's common knowledge. All you have to do is watch an average episode of the Jetsons to see that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dstebbins (talk • contribs) 19:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, but it's not notable. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 22:01, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * If it's not notable, then so is McMahon's so-called "origination" of "You're fired" that pops up in several WWE- and The Apprentice-related articles. Let's be consistent here. We're talking about a signature of not one but two franchises - that makes the "catch phrase" and its origin very notable. 147.70.242.40 (talk) 20:25, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Illegitimate son storyline part II?
Maybe not until things are cleared up a bit more, but is this just gonna be an extension of the old piece, or its own, or what? Or is it probably not gonna be worth mentioning at all unless it becomes a bigger deal than it is right now? 3pointswish (talk) 23:44, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Lee Terry
I think there should be a mention of the following article:

http://www.prowrestling.com/article/news/8602

Rep. Lee Terry Refuses To Back Down From McMahon Comments

Date Added: February 29, 2008

Story By: Richard Gray

The war of words continues between Nebraska Congressman Lee Terry and Vince McMahon. McMahon responded to Terryâ€™s comments earlier in the week that he flipped his finger to Congress for no-showing Wednesdayâ€™s Congressional hearing in a press release issued on the corporate WWE website.

Rep. Terry told the Omaha World-Herald that he was not backing down from his comments towards McMahon, especially because McMahonâ€™s excuse for no-showing was because his attorney Jerry McDevitt unavailable to make the hearing.

Terry said, "He probably has more than one attorney, so it sounded pretty hollow," He added, "There's no doubt that the entertainment factor is that they are physically huge freaks â€” that's part of the show, so there is kind of a belief that steroids are very ubiquitous in the wrestling entertainment industry."

WWE spokesman Gary Davis told the publication that Terryâ€™s comments "represent stereotypical assumptions made by people who don't follow professional wrestling.â€ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.243.184 (talk) 18:22, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Purchase of ECW?
A minor irregularity- in the opening body of the text it claims that McMahon purchased WCW in 2001 and ECW in 2003, but later in the document it claims that McMahon purchased ECW in 2001. I belive the latter date is correct, so can it be verified and amended. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.45.125 (talk) 19:03, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Grandson
His grandson's name is Keynon, not Kenyon! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.194.248.5 (talk) 09:41, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Source? [[User:Zenlax|Z enlax ''' ]] T C S 19:17, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

World champion
vince is only a 1 time world champion when he won the ecw title it was not a recanized world title check pwi it was only reconised 1999-2001 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Devil Thunderbolt (talk • contribs) 19:01, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

YOU HAVE HORRIBLE GRAMMER!!!!!!!! he won the WWE title in the late 90's I think, not sure.Altenhofen (talk) 01:57, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

wrestlinggonewrong.com
Should this information be added to Vince's article here on Wikipedia?http://wrestlinggonewrong.com/tvshows/6521334.html- Wrestlinggonewrong was like a partner of wikipedia seeing as they would source articles of some of the incidents.(ie; Mass transit incident) Urena198 (talk) 01:17, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Not named Junior.
The disambiguation section at the top

"This article is about Vincent Kennedy McMahon, Jr., current WWE Chairman. For his father, see Vincent J. McMahon."

should be amended to

"This article is about Vincent Kennedy McMahon, current WWE Chairman. For his father, see Vincent J. McMahon."

as there is no Jr. in his name. I would change it, but the article is locked.76.234.154.131 (talk) 06:46, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

craete an acount, you will be able to edit it.Altenhofen (talk) 01:58, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

"Higher Power" Revelation Date
The article lists the date of the Higher Power revelation as April 12; however, this happened after Over the Edge, which was in May, so the date is incorrect.

Rainbowhairedwarrior (talk) 06:51, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

The Higher Power wasn't revealed at Over The Edge. McMahon continued to be a face for several weeks afterwards before being revealed on an episode of Raw. I don't know the date from memory but i know that it wasn't at Over the Edge.

Theincomparablebigci (talk) 12:33, 4 June 2008 (BST)

"Kiss My Ass Club"
On Vince's page, it states that Trish Stratus is in the "Kiss My Ass Club", because she was forced to join. Trish Stratus never actually made contact with Vince's backside, so therefore she shouldn't be named there.

My proof is in this youtube video.[] —Preceding unsigned comment added by -alex-shizzle- (talk • contribs) 16:16, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Billionaire ?
In WWE vince McMahon always says that he is a billionaire. Is it true? can anybody clear it with refferance? if he is than we should put this in the article Upol007 (talk) 05:37, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


 * He most likely is worth a billion in assets, but owning 1 billion or more in cash; I highly doubt that. Altenhofen (talk) 22:10, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

not a "Jr."
This article lists him as being "Vincent Kennedy McMahon, Jr", but he is not a junior. It also lists "Vince McMahon, Jr" as one of his wrestling names, but it doesn't give a source. I have never seen him credited or billed as "Vince McMahon, Jr" on any televised program or written advertisement. Sometimes other wrestlers erroneously refer to him as "Junior," "Vince Jr," or "Vince McMahon, Jr" when they are speaking on documentaries or interviews, but this is not correct and doesn't belong in an encyclopedia page. I would edit the article myself, but I can't because of the protection status. Grammarian10 (talk) 19:41, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Irish-American
Should it read in the opening paragraph that Vince is Irish-American, similar to wikipedia pages that read 'Italian-American' and 'African-American'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.240.101.123 (talk) 18:29, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Junior is correct, as his father was Sr. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TomTuckerSimmons (talk • contribs) 12:40, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Vince's 6-23-08 accident.
During the final minutes of RAW on 6-23-08 after the $500,000 giveaway, the stage started to fall apart, starting with lights falling, then some lights sparking in front of Vince.Then, as he backed to the corner of the stage, it collapsed.An object then proceeded to fall and hit Vince.He wasn't killed, but he did however complain that he couldn't feel his legs, and had to be brought out on a stretcher.

Definitely needs adding.

I'd do it, but can't due to the protection. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Red994 (talk • contribs) 03:27, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It looked real but it would just be another storyline to get people to watch the show. CNN, MSNBC, and FOX NEWS is not reporting anything on their channels or websites. McMahon’s medical condition, will be updated at the WrestleMania XXV press conference on Tuesday at 1 p.m. in Houston. 65.43.22.226 (talk) 03:30, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * This really isn't all that notable. The set fell on him and he was wheeled off on a stretcher; big deal. Unless he his "presumed dead," similar to his first "death," then this really isn't that notable. – L A  X  03:36, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * If it's covered by reliable independent sources (and if it's real, which I doubt, then it will be covered) then we put it in, otherwise, we can't include it. After all, this may just be similar to when he blew up last year. Who knows. But without sources, nothing goes in. Calgary (talk) 03:40, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Plus, reading the News Release on the WWE website, they keep saying Mr. McMahon instead McMahon like any other real person. Also, why would they wait until a press conference already planned for WrestleMania? 65.43.22.226 (talk) 03:48, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I also want to add that I've been watching the video of this so called "accident" is fake. It looked like the set had fallen in a way that would have been released in a special way. The video is on the website. Look at the set falling and look at the button. 65.43.22.226 (talk) 04:02, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

The wwe.com article should be enough to constitute an inclusion on the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.122.12.235 (talk) 04:09, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Nope. We should wait until reliable third-party publications confirm his legit condition. – L A  X  04:12, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Of course it is fake. Look at the video on wwe.com, there are metal pieces that you can hear click and watch them move at the same time, thus releasing the sign. Totally fake and if you even thought it was real for a second--you are crazzzy! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Microbunny (talk • contribs) 05:07, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I never did think it was real. I was explaining that WWE is obviously going to say it's legit, so we should wait until third-party sources confirm his condition. – L A  X  05:11, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I think the Million $ Mania thing should be included in one section. Also, it was obviously fake. Vince wouldn't have gotten up so fast if he had just fallen through the stage. And that big dollar sign thing fell on the stage, not on Vince. The Million $ Mania, Support. The 6/23/08 incident, I support it because it's a major storyline, but oppose it per LAX's statements SAVIOR_  SELF  .777  05:50, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

If it was a real accident (which I doubt because it almost never is, but they do know how to sell it) then it shouldn't be added until it can be sourced to a reliable third-party. If it's fake then it shouldn't be added until the storyline is furthered enough to a)warrant its own section and b)have a definitive storyline. Right now it's not only questionable in its believability, but it's also not known where they're going with it.

That's just my opinion, though. -- Chicken monkey 06:09, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree. This should not be added until we find out from more of a confirmed from a news source like CNN or something like the Benoit incident was. FaithLehaneThe Vampire Slayer  07:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * it is fake, and it has only happened as it is a way to stop the million $ mania —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.1.224.123 (talk) 18:31, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * This still shouldn't be noted unless we have reliable third-party sources confirming it. – L A  X  18:34, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

When the thing fell on top of Vince; Edge, Triple H and John Cena came to help, and they all attempted to lift the structure off him. Now... Triple H and John Cena are faces while Edge is a heel, this is a break of kayfabe only done in rare situations, and also, Triple h is heard saying "be careful!" and "Jesus Christ". There is a 51% chance this is legit

--Hype-TDB (talk) 20:32, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Important to note that Vince called Triple H "Paul", his given name. This almost never happens and is a true break in kayfabe, especially since i have no recollection of very many people in the history of his career calling Triple H by his given name.Ryn2me (talk) 21:23, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I think they did this to so people like "us" (People who know this stuff is fake but love it anyways) think it is real. After all, there were multiple breaks in kayfabe but proof that it was fake (Vince ducking before he "Didn't get hit). Altenhofen (talk) 02:51, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Vince is an idiot, thats just the way it is. Have you nticed the last "Fake Accident" happened in the same month this one did? Plus, it could be real or fake; after all, Cena and Triple H were both pretending to be KO'd, but they got up like speeding bullets to lift that thing off the man. I will check out the vid, see for myself if the damn thing is fake like last time. Altenhofen (talk) 22:07, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I watched it, IT IS 100% FAKE!!!!!!!!!!!! vince ducked down before the thing fell.

Those "reliable third-party sources" better not be those internet wrestling rumor sites I hope. --Maestro25 (talk) 23:22, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

It should be noted that real accidents have happened in the past. For example Owen Hart. Lets wait for a third party source as LAX stated. Arzakon (talk) 02:12, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Sure, accidents happen--but what are the chances of the first thing falling, Vince conveniently off-camera onto the gorund below, and then a completely seperate piece of equipment falls--while it is all caught perfectly on camera. Not to mention, that if it was unscripted/real they would have cut away from the close-up on Vince 'mangled' under the fixture. Also, as far as the Owen Hart incident goes---it's pretty safe to assume seeing a man fall multiple stories and land on his neck is not scripted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Microbunny (talk • contribs) 23:11, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

If it had been real, they would have cut RAW from the air, especially considering that they were already running past their alloted time slot. Also, cameramen wouldn't have been hovering over Vince and blocking the paramedics. And on a closer look at the video, it is apparent that Vince isn't even hit by the falling structure. (Sawyer (talk) 01:52, 26 June 2008 (UTC))


 * That isnt nessicarly true! Some stations have been known to remain on air durning such events! This is to avoid a sorta panic from Civilans and immediate questions from media! I can assure you this was real! I examined the clip several times! Now you have to take in to account that equipment failure is not uncommon! to name a few:


 * The Big Show and Brock Lessner: The ring implodes! Civilan is injured when a peice of the ring fly at him(Minor Injury; No Charges) Camaga Man nearly taken out! Cause determended to be improperly instuled bolt and nearly 1,000 lbs Impacting the ring.


 * Durning Pyro Explosions a minor fire breaks out on the roof! Building Evacuated. (No injury and Minamal Damage; Show resumes Live)


 * Wreslemania 24: Pyro Explosions cause a partal Strucal Failure and causes 45 Civilans harm!


 * Vince and is nearly hit by a lighting fixture on the roof when it falls! When it impacts it weakens the stage and at the same time knocks a short in the Pyrotechnics causeing it to explode, and in tern causeing the stage to fall! Though unclear at this point the stage collopsing caused the Sign to fall just missing him but not totally as at impact it does hit him in the head and Back.


 * (This of corse is what I heard)

So we cant say its "Not Real" unless we know for sure!

PS: Sorry for the bad Grammer but Im in a rush!

--Wikiloli (talk) 15:43, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Good point, but WWE has a track record of going to dead air but maintaining a visual feed for faked injuries, such as with Shawn Michaels back in 1996 when he got a "concussion" from Owen Hart, while they go to shots of the audience or to the announcers when a serious injury happens in ring, such as Owen Hart in 1999. This was by no means real. Had it been real, I guarantee you the superstars would have been shoving the cameramen out of the way to get to Vince, not giving them the closest spots. And really, looking at it from a common sense angle, what are the odds that the lights would fall, and miss, at the very end of the show, that Vince would be standing on the exact 6 by 6 section of stage that gave away, and that that specific lighting structure would fall? Also take in to account that if this had been real, it would have been announced on WWE's Corporate website. As it made no appearance at all, it can be safely assumed that this was a pure storyline. (Sawyer (talk) 22:30, 27 June 2008 (UTC))


 * Not to mention he ducked.... Altenhofen (talk) 22:59, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

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This article has lots of this: "". Should it be cleaned up? Altenhofen (talk) 02:53, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Draft Incident
On the 08 Draft Vince got chrushed by the set. As it is not n there I went to edit it and geuss what? It was locked. So I have two questions. One is can a mod put it in? And two which is why is it locked? By locking it Wikipedia is preventing vital info from being in the article. So Wikipedia, I have four words for ya! WHAT WERE YOU THINKING!?!?!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.164.184 (talk) 16:49, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The article is semi-protected, which prevents anon IPs and newly registered users from editing the article. Anyways, this SHOULD NOT be added yet. Read my comments in the above discussion for my reason. – L A  X  16:56, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

hey! they deleted my site for "not being wiki-oriented" i wouldn't blame them! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.202.136.49 (talk) 07:45, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Assult, pay disputes and Macho Man
Isn't it true that in the early 90's a WWF wrestler assulted McMahon after pay disputes? Also, should it be mentioned that allegedly there have been several wrestlers who have "blackmailed" Vince into more money, for example Jeff Jarrett and Ultimate Warrior. Lastly, should it be noted that while other wrestlers he has come to odds with over the years, like Hogan, Bret and Warrior, have all come back in some form (Warrior has DVD and an action figure), Randy Savage, for whatever reason, has always been reject by McMahon, despite the probable income a DVD would make. I know a Macho Man DVD was slated for release this year but McMahon nixed the idea, as well as nixing a Savage action figure. While the reason are unkonwn, there seems to be some heat there. Tobythegreat (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 10:23, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Source? (Sawyer (talk) 22:33, 27 June 2008 (UTC))


 * The wrestler who allegedly physically approached (I believe choked) McMahon was Kevin Wacholz, who wrestled as Nailz in the WWF. I am not sure this is pertinent to an article about Vince. I do know of at least one source that mentions this incident, but it was not written by someone close to situation.


 * Also, I think it would be inappropriate to characterize Jeff Jarrett and others as having "blackmailed" McMahon for more money. It is a loaded word with negative connotations. In Jarrett's case, he was no longer under contract, yet was a champion in the company and he was advertised to appear in a pay-per-view match. Jarrett said he would work the pay-per-view even though he was not under a contract to the company, but he would have to receive his pay sooner. He didn't ask for more money, just to receive it more quickly, probably up front. Remember, he (one of their champions) was not legally obligated to work any more shows for them.


 * Finally, I don't believe an article about Vince McMahon should really include information about his relationship with Randy Savage, especially when the information is based largely on speculation and rumors. If you can find reliable sources on their relationship or any problems they have with each other, then I suppose it could be added to McMahon or Savage's page. I believe a Jakks/Pacific employee mentioned in an interview that WWE twice stopped them from making a Randy Savage action figure. However, this information is not pertinent to an article on McMahon. Grammarian10 (talk) 06:43, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Merge Vince McMahon (Documentary) article...
I'm in favor of the merge because it has more personal and useful/helpful information in the article. HairyPerry (talk) 18:33, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I think they should be kept separate. The wiki page for Vince talks about his life, the DVD page talked about his career, I think they should have their respective pages.Itsmyright (talk) 01:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I think, just my thoughts, it should be merged into the main article of Vince McMahon. Also, I have corrected a word in this section. Sundogs Wikia UserPage 16:02, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge - enough information just for a section in his Bio.--SRX 14:00, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Shane McMahon-Mike Adamle angle
On my talk page, there was a note stating that Shane McMahon's appearance on the September 22, 2008, Raw was relevant to the current Vince McMahon "injury" angle (in response to my removal of such). I had disagreed since I thought a mere appearance — basically to overturn a decision by Mike Adamle, to set up several matches for later in the show and interact with several wrestlers — did not constitute relevancy to the McMahon "injury" angle ... and it really doesn't, plus I doubt its long-term notability. Ask yourself — "What does it have to do with Vince McMahon, either the "Mr. McMahon" character (remember, "Mr. McMahon" was not even mentioned or alluded to) or the real-life promoter? I thought Wikipedia's purpose was not to exhaustively cover every aspect of wrestling angles, but to hit the most notable high spots, and not listcrufting mere appearances on TV shows by relatives that may have nothing to do with a current angle. Shane's September 22 appearance on Raw may be more appropriate for his article page. P.S. — HairyPerry, sorry this discussion did not appear here before, I'm not sure what happened, but here it is now. Briguy52748 (talk) 13:39, 26 September 2008 (UTC)]]

I'm just saying Mr. McMahon has everything to do with the WWE and when his family comes out there and becomes a part of the storyline, I think thats its notable enough to put on there to show that people (relatives) are working in his place to try to restore order either of wrestlers/GM. Meaning Shane McMahon as he stepped in to overthrow Mike Adamle's decision to suspend CM Punk, which lead to matches and other such incidents in the storyline. I do believe that this is notable in this incident storyline.

 Hairy Perry  13:51, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I disagree. This page is about Vince McMahon (note the strong emphasis), not Shane McMahon. Angles that are about Shane should be confined to his article. For now, the reference to Shane's September 22 "Raw" appearance should be removed, but in the future if his appearance indeed specifically and convincingly can be proven to have something directly to do with Vince, then maybe it can be put back in. Sorry I can't explain it any better; however, I'm interested in what other editors think about this. Briguy52748 (talk) 20:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)]]

There is no reason to get an attitude. Everybody is titled to an opinion and so I have one. Ok, if you disagree I guess I should just drop because no matter what, its never going to get on there. I have other projects and and articles to work on so this discussion is over with until further notice of the storyline. We will see because tonight is Monday Night RAW!!!!

<font face="Kristen ITC"> Hairy Perry  12:48, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Attitude? Again, I bolded and italicized the word to emphasize my point (albeit a bit more forcibly); I apologize if there was any ill-attitude implied. Again, unless Shane's mere appearences on Raw — which is how I would charaterize the Sept. 22 appearance — can convincingly be tied to the Vince McMahon "injured" angle, it is not a notable appearance. Also recall the style of WikiProject Professional wrestling biographies is not to include week-by-week (i.e., a mere recap of a wrestler's week-by-week activities). Briguy52748 (talk) 19:24, 1 October 2008 (UTC)]]