Talk:Vincent Ogé/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Ealdgyth (talk · contribs) 15:08, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

I'll get to this shortly. Ealdgyth (talk) 15:08, 22 January 2023 (UTC)


 * GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):  d (copyvio and plagiarism):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * I randomly googled three phrases and only turned up Wikipedia mirrors. Earwig's tool shows no sign of copyright violation.
 * Spot checks:
 * "On March 1790, deputies of the National Constituent Assembly approved an ambiguously worded law granting full voting rights to free people of colour in French colonies. After the law had passed, Ogé returned to Saint-Domingue, travelling in secret to avoid attracting attention from hostile planters. During his journey, he made a stop in London to consult with abolitionists in Britain, including Thomas Clarkson. After meeting with Clarkson, who was sympathetic towards Ogé's arguments for rights for free people of colour, he landed in Saint-Domingue via Charleston, South Carolina." is sourced to Kennedy pp. 130-138. Unfortunately, the only parts that appear supported by this source is that Oge arrived in Saint-Domingue. The "On March 1790, deputies of the National Constituent Assembly approved an ambiguously worded law granting full voting rights to free people of colour in French colonies. After the law had passed, Ogé returned to Saint-Domingue, travelling in secret to avoid attracting attention from hostile planters. During his journey, he made a stop in London to consult with abolitionists in Britain, including Thomas Clarkson. After meeting with Clarkson, who was sympathetic towards Ogé's arguments for rights for free people of colour" and "via Charleston, South Carolina." does not appear to be supported by the source.
 * "At the time, Saint-Domingue formed the western part of the island of Hispaniola and was under French colonial rule as part of France's colonies in the West Indies. Ogé's parents were Jacques Ogé, a white Frenchman, and Angélique Ossé, a free woman of color; he also had several brothers and sisters." is sourced to King p. 208 but this does not support the information. "Angelique Osse" does not even appear in the index of King, and p. 208 contradicts the wiki article, as it says "revolutionary leader Vincent Oge, who was the son, apparently legitimate, of a white Cap negociant, also named Vincent". Nor does this page of King support "At the time, Saint-Domingue formed the western part of the island of Hispaniola and was under French colonial rule as part of France's colonies in the West Indies." or " a white Frenchman, and Angélique Ossé, a free woman of color; he also had several brothers and sisters."
 * "He was sentenced to death, and Ogé was executed by being broken on the wheel on 6 February in the presence of Blanchelande and several politicians from the colonial assembly." is sourced to Tise p. 219 which flatly contradicts this information by saying that the execution occurred on March 9, 1791. Nor does page 210 say the execution took place in front of Blanchelande or several politicans.
 * "Six months after Ogé's executions, rebel slaves led by Dutty Boukman rose in revolt, sparking the Haitian Revolution." is sourced to Lester p. 110 which is actually found on p. 111 but it doesn't specifically tie this to the Haitian Revolution ...
 * "Though Ogé never fought against the institution of slavery itself, his execution was frequently cited by rebel slaves during the revolution as a justification for continuing to resist the French colonial government rather than accept prospective peace treaties. After twelve years of fighting, the rebels successfully overthrew French rule in Saint-Domingue." is sourced to Rogozinski p. 167 which does not support the information cited to it.
 * Given the above issues - and that I've checked all the sources available to me on Internet Archive and found issues with all of them (I cannot access Garrigus which is the majority of the sourcing for this article), I'm leaning towards failing this article. There are serious problems here and it makes me concerned about the rest of the sourcing. I'm not quite failing it yet but it's right on the edge. Ealdgyth (talk) 18:37, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * it's been 8 days, any response? Ealdgyth (talk) 14:59, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, given no reply or work on this, I'm failing this article, with regret. Ealdgyth (talk) 14:52, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
 * "At the time, Saint-Domingue formed the western part of the island of Hispaniola and was under French colonial rule as part of France's colonies in the West Indies. Ogé's parents were Jacques Ogé, a white Frenchman, and Angélique Ossé, a free woman of color; he also had several brothers and sisters." is sourced to King p. 208 but this does not support the information. "Angelique Osse" does not even appear in the index of King, and p. 208 contradicts the wiki article, as it says "revolutionary leader Vincent Oge, who was the son, apparently legitimate, of a white Cap negociant, also named Vincent". Nor does this page of King support "At the time, Saint-Domingue formed the western part of the island of Hispaniola and was under French colonial rule as part of France's colonies in the West Indies." or " a white Frenchman, and Angélique Ossé, a free woman of color; he also had several brothers and sisters."
 * "He was sentenced to death, and Ogé was executed by being broken on the wheel on 6 February in the presence of Blanchelande and several politicians from the colonial assembly." is sourced to Tise p. 219 which flatly contradicts this information by saying that the execution occurred on March 9, 1791. Nor does page 210 say the execution took place in front of Blanchelande or several politicans.
 * "Six months after Ogé's executions, rebel slaves led by Dutty Boukman rose in revolt, sparking the Haitian Revolution." is sourced to Lester p. 110 which is actually found on p. 111 but it doesn't specifically tie this to the Haitian Revolution ...
 * "Though Ogé never fought against the institution of slavery itself, his execution was frequently cited by rebel slaves during the revolution as a justification for continuing to resist the French colonial government rather than accept prospective peace treaties. After twelve years of fighting, the rebels successfully overthrew French rule in Saint-Domingue." is sourced to Rogozinski p. 167 which does not support the information cited to it.
 * Given the above issues - and that I've checked all the sources available to me on Internet Archive and found issues with all of them (I cannot access Garrigus which is the majority of the sourcing for this article), I'm leaning towards failing this article. There are serious problems here and it makes me concerned about the rest of the sourcing. I'm not quite failing it yet but it's right on the edge. Ealdgyth (talk) 18:37, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
 * it's been 8 days, any response? Ealdgyth (talk) 14:59, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, given no reply or work on this, I'm failing this article, with regret. Ealdgyth (talk) 14:52, 13 February 2023 (UTC)