Talk:Vinland Saga (manga)

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Hey, I`ve added the German Publisher, Carlsen Manga. Here`s the source: http://www.carlsen.de/web/manga/buch?tn=175842 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.134.78.219 (talk) 14:42, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Two notes for the WP:GA reviewer
First, I am nominating this article for WP:GA on the basis of it presently being a "finished" page: aside from occasional maintenance updates as chapters and volumes are released, there is nothing more to say about Vinland Saga than what is currently in the article. The page is necessarily short, as it on a manga series with no official English presence. If/when the series is licensed by an English distributor, it will be meaningfully expandable once more, but for now there's nothing else you could write aside from endless retelling of the manga itself.

Second, you will notice I have not used in-line references for the plot or character sections. This is intentional, not an oversight, and is based on the fact that all featured literature articles avoid using in-line citations for these sections if the information is from the primary source.

Thank you for volunteering your time to review this article, and have a good day. --erachima talk 09:47, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * While this is not a GA review, I do monitor the WP:ANIME/ASSESS page, and all B-Class upgrades. The article leaves a bit to be desired in terms of the following:
 * The lead is too short (The norm for good articles are about 3-4 paragraphs) I recommend the following (See Tokyo Mew Mew for a sample lead):
 * Split "The series is about the Danish invaders" into a second paragraph. Expand a bit, as there is current very little information about the the plot within the lead, also include character information there.
 * Move "Vinland Saga is published by ... six tankōbon." after "author of Planetes." (Same paragraph)
 * Add some "reception" information in the lead.
 * "The presentation and style of the series has been compared by reviewers to that found in the more realistically grounded segments of Kentarō Miura's classic dark fantasy manga Berserk."—good, I like it; but would insert something like "...Berserk and is a commercial success in Japan, with the first five volumes making the x top ten list x times ."
 * Split column one of the media table into two columns, it is currently difficult to read.
 * The table also needs some information, refer to List of Claymore chapters for an example. The "lead" to the list is also too short.
 * Consider a summary of the plot within the list, although it is a bit of a duplication of Plot, each will be specific to the specific volume. (Refer to the FL) G.A.S 05:12, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The "lead" to the character list is too short.
 * Change the list to a definition list, it is more neat.
 * All paragraphs with less than 100-150 words should be either combined with other paragraphs, or expanded.
 * Regards, G.A.S 11:16, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

WP:LEAD would suggest 1-2 full paragraphs for an article this size. But good suggestions overall, thank you. --erachima talk 11:43, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * True, but the lead should also cover all important information, though briefly. G.A.S 12:07, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I considered both your latest points there when I was updating the article earlier today and decided against them.
 * The two pieces of reception information in the intro are split up because the lead currently divides nicely into a "quantitative" paragraph (series name, author, publisher, sales) and a "qualitative" paragraph (series theme, plot, reviews). If more information comes out that allows the lead to be expanded, then a three paragraph lead of basic facts, basic plot, and basic reception would be more appropriate, but for now I like the current arrangement.
 * For the media section, I believe we'd start running into article balance issues if we added volume summaries. This article is about the series as a whole, so its plot summary is focused on the series as a whole. When you spin the volume info out into a chapter list, then it makes sense to describe the events of the series by volume, but I don't believe we're at that point where we can justify a separate chapter list yet, either by article length or by series notability.
 * A comparable case would be the articles on long-running television shows or anime, which feature generalized plot summaries in the main article, arc summaries in the master episode list, and only add individual episode summaries when they begin breaking down the episode list by season.
 * If you still disagree, I'd be willing to switch stuff around, but my experience suggests the current arrangement. --erachima talk 06:31, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Disagree, no. Merely suggesting. Good work in fixing the issues! G.A.S 06:35, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well alright then, and thanks again. Now I just have to wait for the month long backlog on WP:GAN to clear up so this page actually gets reviewed. --erachima talk 06:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Askeladd
In the characters section, it says that Askeladd is English, In all the scans I've read it says he is part Welsh, which is he? --Conradical247 (talk) 11:10, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You are indeed correct, chapter 26 says that Askeladd is part Welsh. Good catch, thank you. --erachima talk 23:32, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually he is both Welsh and English, look up his name and read the later chapter's you'll see.

He is Welsh and Danish, not welsh and english. Which is ironic because Askeladd hates Danes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.202.195.69 (talk) 01:34, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Notes need correction
As the webmaster/blogger for a number of the notes referred to in this article, I would like to request that Edward Chavez be changed to Eduardo Chavez. And that the spelling of MangaCast be consistent throughout the piece.

I would like to change those details myself but according to the Wikipedia Guidelines under Content - Autobiography: Avoid writing or editing articles about yourself - I should leave that to someone else. Thanks. 219.105.105.51 (talk) 14:34, 2 September 2008 (UTC)Ed Chavez


 * Done and done. I don't believe the rules on autobiographical edits would apply to correcting your own name though, since that's not going to be a controversial edit. (Thanks for the review by the way, this article wouldn't be possible without it.) --erachima talk 08:04, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Adressing GA Review concerns
I've done as much as I can -- most of the rest are referencing concerns, largely to events of the manga, and without having the series myself, I cannot address them. I can pitch in with other editorial things that come up, but my work, alas, appears to be done.

(BTW, to anyone who's just reading this page without looking at subpage, just so you know, transclusions are running way behind on Wikipedia these days -- as in taking over a day sometimes to appear. This has been especially annoying when reading through AfD pages.) —Quasirandom (talk) 19:43, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, thank you very much for what you have been able to do. I'm going to try to finish up the referencing bits this weekend. --erachima talk 19:58, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Dropping it here until i have time
A bunch of reviews in French: --KrebMarkt 15:39, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Grand Prize Japan Media Art Festival 2009 --KrebMarkt 10:20, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Japan Media Art Festival Critique some judges called it "ultra-orthodox adventure story"
 * Japan Media Art Festival Symposium development info --KrebMarkt 18:39, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Split episode list?
Since the list of episodes is a sizeable chunk of this page and will only get bigger, perhaps it's time to split them off into a List of Vinland Saga episodes page? — Kawnhr (talk) 16:55, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Vinland Saga´s demographic
The manga ran in a Shounen mag for two volumes and then switched over to a Seinen publication. These volumes were then republished with new covers (the chapter list has the ISBNs). Cross-demographic manga are rare but exist yet Viland Saga isn´t one of them. The change to an older readership was permanent and lead to a slight difference in art and presentation of content. The giveaway that only adult readers are now targeted can be seen here. Pages from the most recent arc: https://aqm.hatenablog.jp/entry/2022/05/25/235900 There is no furigana present in the text boxes to help younger readers. This is a dead giveaway that this is a manga for adults. So it can´t be part of the Shounen (or even Shoujo) demographic anymore. Here are legal RAWs from the first 5 chapters: https://comic-days.com/episode/13932016480029466292 Notice the furigana on basically every page? Kodansha would have kept these reading aids if they wanted to keep teen readers from one of their Shounen mags and the author would have simply switched over to Monthly Shounen Sirius if only a change in the pace of releases was intended and not the demographic. It wouldn´t be wrong to say in the infobox Formerly Shounen or Shounen 2005-2006 but the manga hasn´t been since 2006. That was just one year in the history of the manga. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.64.147.12 (talk) 13:32, 19 January 2023 (UTC)


 * This is just the standard for any series that was moved from a shōnen manga magazine to a seinen manga magazine (or vice versa) regardless of how long they were published there, like Steel Ball Run, Dorohedoro, Bastard!!, The Kindaichi Case Files, Hayate × Blade, etc. In the magazine parameter is already mentioned the period when it was published there, so it would be redundant to add something like "shonen (former), seinen (current)" or similar. Xexerss (talk) 13:48, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Adaptation
After expanding some character articles and seeing the new infor above, I kinda wonder if it's okay to split this article into one for the manga. This current Vinland Saga article already has 76 kylobites but I really don't know of a good example to follow for the anime adaptation. Kinda like Attack on Titan (TV series)?Tintor2 (talk) 21:51, 16 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Fine by me. There are various sources covering the anime adaptation alone, including production and reception. Xexerss (talk) 22:49, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Split completed. I used the Attack on Titan article as example but I have no idea how we should organize considering there are far more interviews about how the anime of Vinland was created.Tintor2 (talk) 17:28, 17 June 2023 (UTC)