Talk:Virginia Beach, Virginia

To-Do List
This article is more or less a stub, so there's a lot of development to do here. I've redone the Infobox in the upper right-hand corner, following the same format as many other cities (see Richmond, Virginia, Norfolk, Virginia, and Louisville, Kentucky as examples. One thing that should be added to the Infobox is a picture of the city flag, if someone can find that.

As the two major cities in the Hampton Roads metropolitan area, I think Norfolk and Virginia Beach should stand out and have the most information overall. They're almost like the twin cities of Minnesota, although they're not called that. But there is a lot of overlap in infrastructure, culture, climate, etc. So we need to consider carefully the quality of these two cities first, before we get into many of the other cities of Hampton Roads. But ultimately, all cities should overall agree with each other in format, style, and accuracy.

A suggested organization for the major sections of this article might be: See the Featured articles of Seattle, Washington and San Jose, California for guidelines. The article on Louisville, Kentucky is also well organized. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Derek.cashman (talk • contribs) 16:50, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
 * History
 * Geography and Climate
 * Cityscape
 * Climate
 * Pronunciation
 * People and Culture - Perhaps the culture section could link to a separate article on the culture of Hampton Roads in general, since a lot of culture seems to overlap with other cities.
 * Demographics
 * Annual cultural events and fairs
 * Museums and Art Collections
 * Media
 * Parks and Outdoor Attractions
 * Performing Arts
 * Sports
 * Economy
 * Infrastructure
 * Government
 * Education
 * Transportation
 * Utilities
 * Sister cities
 * See also - links to various lists (famous celebrities, mayors, schools, etc)
 * References - textbook and other references
 * External links

Religion - Incorrect data?
I see a problem in the section "Demographics" and in the subsection "Religion". The specified source provides different information than the section in the article. The article states, for example, that 28% of the population would be Catholics. The source stated that 10.7% of the population are Catholics. It would be very nice if someone could check. --Ora Unu (talk) 18:43, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * , if you have issue with this or any other article, fix it! This is a volunteer organization. John from Idegon (talk) 20:02, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * English is not my native language and I am rarely active on the English Wikipedia. That's why I thought it would be better for people who write articles in this subject area to do so. The only thing I noticed is that the information about the denominations is very strange for the situation in Virginia. But since no one has actually revised this article, I will try my hand at it. --Ora Unu (talk) 15:19, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Move
Move to Virginia Beach. No need for Virginia. 2A02:C7E:3AA0:9200:7171:E9D6:A968:BC39 (talk) 16:54, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

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Requested move 11 January 2024

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Proposed move is clearly in violation of WP:USPLACE. WP:RMCI is very clear that proposals that do not align with guidelines need to be closed as "not moved" regardless of the number of supporters, absent a very good reason to WP:IAR. WP:IAR was invoked here by one supporter, but I do not find the reason provided to be "very good" in this case. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 20:58, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Virginia Beach, Virginia → Virginia Beach – Virginia Beach already redirects to Virginia Beach, Virginia. Per WP:CONCISE. With Virginia being in the city name, this serves the purpose to reduce title redundancy since no other place holds the name. Vataxevader (talk) 20:00, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:USPLACE. You can propose this policy at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names), but this request will be closed here. glman (talk) 20:08, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: WikiProject Virginia has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:08, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: WikiProject United States has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:09, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: WikiProject Cities has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:09, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose The AP stylebook lists 30 cities that don't need the state alongside, and Virginia Beach isn't one of them. Unless WP:USPLACE is changed, this article should stay. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 22:00, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Would you mind linking the AP stylebook? I cannot find it anywhere online. Vataxevader (talk) 23:42, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Vataxevader - It is linked at the guideline WP:USPLACE. glman (talk) 23:50, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I actually don't see a working link there, though the cities are listed in the references. I did find the relevant info here as well. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 00:46, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Vataxevader (talk) 23:12, 14 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose per glman and DrOrinScrivello. A 2013 discussion can be consulted at Talk:Virginia Beach, Virginia/Archive 1 and a more recent request was in 2018 at Talk:Virginia Beach, Virginia/Archive 1. A 2008 general discussion on all the city names is at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements)/Archive 19. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:26, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose per USPLACE.  O.N.R.  (talk) 01:38, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support, we've done it elsewhere. New York City, Chicago, Seattle, Los Angeles, Boston, Atlanta, even internationally with Toronto, London, Auckland.  It's no different here.  There isn't any other city, nationwide, called "Virginia Beach" per GNIS.  I will concede that there are two beaches called Virginia Beach, one in Miami-Dade and one in Nevada (though this one is due to it's location near the historic Virginia City, Nevada).  That said, the only city place name is Virginia Beach, Virginia.  Thus, we can safely name it Virginia Beach. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 18:05, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Please review the overarching guideline WP:USPLACE. PEr WP:LOCALCONSENSUS, we cannot make this change on this page. If you want to change the guideline, we need to do it at USPLACE. glman (talk) 19:51, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't need that headache. But if USPLACE is so "overarching" and LOCALCONSENSUS backs it up, then all of the pages I mentioned above (US only) should be renamed accordingly.  Can't enforce the rules here and ignore them over there.  Just sayin'.  I do stand by my !vote, though. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 21:32, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * USPLACE uses the AP stylebook as its guideline, and that manual allows for 30 cities including the (American) ones you mentioned  to be listed sans state name. Virginia Beach is not included amongst them. There's no conflict of rules enforcement. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 22:42, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * It might be also noted that, among the 30 U.S. cities listed by the AP, only 28 appear in English Wikipedia as main title header city-only primary topics. The remaining two — Phoenix and Washington — are headers of disambiguation pages. A nomination to move the main header "Phoenix, Arizona" to "Phoenix" was unsuccessful at Talk:Phoenix, Arizona. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:48, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * And New York.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:50, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Comment Per WP:LOCALCONSENSUS we cannot override WP:USPLACE on this page. This discussion should be a WP:SNOW close and users who support a change can begin a discussion at the overall guideline page. glman (talk) 19:53, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * To the contrary, we can, per IAR, and must first make moves like this per local consensus before changing the guideline. I explained why years ago, here: User:Born2cycle/You_can%27t_change_the_guideline_first. —В²C ☎ 06:57, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and applying WP:IAR to USPLACE, which has created untold ambiguity and confusion (like this nom) in title decision-making due to its contradiction of WP:CONCISE. —В²C ☎ 06:57, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:USPLACE, WP:RS, WP:ENGVAR, etc., as elaborated at WP:PERENNIAL. Also, contrary to what the nom seems to suggest, we absolutely cannot assume that the presence of a state in a US place's name indicates the state that it's actually in. Virginia City, for example, is nowhere near Virginia. (Likewise, Minnesota Junction is in Wisconsin, Wisconsin Township is in Minnesota, Nevada City is in California, Arizona Township is in Nebraska, Missouri City is in Texas, Texas is in New York, New York is in Texas, etc.) ╠╣uw [ talk ] 11:01, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Leaning support though I don't think it can be done per WP:USPLACE as that says its common usage though this may be a good idea to ignore it like Colorado Springs though unlike Colorado Springs there are other places, see ceb:Virginia Beach.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:44, 18 January 2024 (UTC)