Talk:Virginia Beach – Norfolk – Newport News, VA–NC MSA

Should there be a distinction between the peninsula and the southside? Kanadier 6 Mar 2005 04:08

The OMB puts these areas together for statistical purposes. There are WP articles on Hampton Roads as an area and the body of water of the same name as well as separate articles on Virginia Peninsula and South Hampton Roads, the two regions which include most (but not all) of the MSA. Some of the MSA is in the Middle Peninsula region, and of course, a bit of North Carolina is included.

To quote from the OMB, defining the Metropolitan Statistical Areas (MSA)'s "is a controversial issue rather difficult to quantify. These figures include suburban areas immediately surrounding a major city and sometimes multiple major cities which may be close enough together to function essentially as one area (e.g. Washington-Baltimore)." Does that information do anything to clarify and perhaps address your concerns? Vaoverland 05:19, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)

Well to be honest I was more refering to the incidence of how those that live in the area tend to make a distinction between the Virginia Peninsula and "Southside" or South Hampton Roads and I was wondering if a distinction should be mentioned. I see what you mean about the difference with MSA, and on second thought, and following your links I think its covered elsewhere, and probably doesn't need to be added. Thanks for the info and response. Kanadier 19:55, 6 Mar 2005

Merge with Hampton Roads article

 * No My vote is no. I think that having the Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC MSA as a separate article is correct, mostly because it includes outlying areas which do not consider themselves part of Hampton Roads, nor does anyone else.
 * I agree. I will remove the tag and add this to the metro areas category. Choalbaton 17:12, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I also agree. Vaoverland 19:07, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


 * YES Try going to the article of another other metro area in the country. They all redirect to a less formal name (even in the state, Richmond, VA MSA redirects to Richmond-Petersburg).  This is the case with all major metros in the nation.  I don't buy the argument that they shouldn't be merged because Hampton Roads' "borders" may not exactly match the definition of the Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC MSA.  Go to any metro area in the country and you're bound to find people who associate themselves with the nearby region even though they are technically outside of the MSA.  Hampton Roads is a loosely defined term which certainly applies to all cities/counties in the MSA.  Additionally, Hampton Roads is the common name given to Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC MSA by nearly everyone and as such should be merged to align with all other MSA articles.--Conk 9 (talk) 22:17, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Two Glaring Mistakes on the Map
I wrote this in the Hampton Roads article but I'm also putting it here since the same image appears here. The map of Virgina and North Carolina shows the two states very inaccurately aligned (over 20 miles off at the western end of their border.) It's also missing the border between James City and Charles City and colors both red as if it's a single entity. James City is part of the Virginia Beach–Norfolk–Newport News, VA–NC MSA, but Charles City is part of a different MSA (Richmond, VA MSA) so that's kind of an important border that's screwed up there. rainfrog 11:55, 10 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainfrog (talk • contribs)