Talk:Virginia Tech/Archive 1

ESM Department Article Integration
After reading the Engineering Science and Mechanics page, it basically describes all of the engineering departments at Tech, and therefore doesn't need its own page. --kg4gyt

VBI
I removed the merge from for the Virginia Bioinformatics Institute. Much like the NASA research center that VT manages, VBI is a separate institution that VT manages and participates in, it is not directly a part of VT, though that may change in the future. --Buridan 14:34, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Corps of Cadets Intro
Norwich University DOES NOT have a smaller corps within a larger civilian population. Norwich is a military academy with 1,300 cadets and 550 non-corps students. THE ONLY universities to have a corps in a larger university is Texas A&M and Virginia Tech. VT is not "One of a few" universities to offer this setting, it is ONE OF TWO


 * This is true, and I will change it. --Dynaflow 19:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Note agian : It's not one of a few, it's one of two :)

Fan mail
Gotta love VT! --[69.134.105.16] we here at bayveiw highschools send our best wishes, our thoughts and prayers go out to the faculty and students; Jason_Reigns,Alex-Murphy,Craig-Lewison,Katie-Welington,Timothy-Lane,Harold-Birch,Oscar-Perez,Matt-Fienberg,Sean-Fritz,Omar-Grettis,Nick-Smolter,Lauren-Cape,Oscar-Perez,Veronica-Alpson,Eric-Neirdon,Stacey-White,Tom-Corren,Hector-Veluzua,Ellen-Blackwood,Christina-Young,Oliva-Brownstone,Cindi-Poloso,and student counsel preident Kristen-Dollocks.(new members added) go VT!

Square root of 1

 * From the edit history: removed square root of one nonsense, no evidence or substance. --Buridan

This is certainly not nonsense. I'm a recent Virginia Tech alumnus; virtually everyone I know down in Blacksburg knows about the "square root of 1" bit of school lore. As for your claims of "no substance", this is school lore. There's not going to be anything breathtaking here. However, this is a factual bit of trivia directly relating to VT, and so it deserves to be included in the Wikipedia. Unless you can prove otherwise, please do not revert. &bull; Benc &bull; 20:46, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I've never heard or seen anything about $$\sqrt{1}=1$$ being a VT #1 reference before this article. But the logo is occasionally referred to (usually derisively) as "the square root of 1", so some mention is certainly deserved. VT hawkeye 04:21, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC) (VT CS '02)

I've never picked up on the derisiveness myself, but I agree that there are many better known bits of lore out there. I trimmed the section down a little, removing: ''Since Virginia Tech is known for its College of Engineering, the connection between the team logo and mathematics is particularly appealing to students and alumni. Additionally, the fact that $$\sqrt{1}=1$$ is another way of saying "Virginia Tech is ranked number 1".'' (Hey, this equation appears frequently on desk art in McBryde, so it must be true. :-)) &bull; Benc &bull; 05:10, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * it is nonsense and unsubstantiated

i've been here 12 years as student and faculty, you won't find this mentioned anywhere other than on wikipedia. when i've talk to other fans, people have never said this, engineers or not. when you look at the fan sites, no one says this. now you might find some fans who are tyring to push this as a new and valid bit of info. that is fine, but until it is established in the world as knowledge in some shape or form, or minimally recognized elsewhere in the public eye, published and such, it counts as nonsense for everyone but the promoters. it is also unsubstantiated beyond wikipedia, so it probably should not be in wikipedia. -- buridan
 * It's mentioned three times that I could find on techsideline.com, a major fan site: once here and twice here, dating back to 1997. That's not a huge number of hits, but this is the kind of stuff that doesn't get put on the Internet very often. Google might not be a good judge in this case. I maintain that if you ask a random Hokie fan what the "square root of 1" refers to, he'll say "VT" more often than not. Especially if that Hokie is a current student in a technical field. I'm not trying to "push" new slang here, I'm only interested in what is current and factual.


 * OTOH, I agree that you won't hear "square root of 1" cropping up in a typical conversation about VT athletics. If you honestly believe that this is unsubstantiated nonsense, or too esoteric, then by all means move all of the "square root of 1" info off of the article and into the talk page. I'm fine with that. &bull; Benc &bull; 18:52, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * ok, that is one article and one fan, it is a start so it is not nonsense, but it certainly is not popular fact yet either.

here's the chunk

The "athletic VT" is maroon, with a white and orange border. The vertical line of the "T" is slanted, parallel with the right-hand line on the "V". The "V" and the "T" are connected at the top. Because of this last feature, the "athletic VT" is often referred to as the "square root of 1" among students, as it looks similar to the mathematical expression $$\sqrt{1}$$.

maybe more voices will add to this discussion, and if enough fans think this works, it can be moved back.--buridan

Yeah, I spent 4 1/2 years at "The Square Root of 1" majoring in Engineering and minoring in Math, and I've never heard of this. I consider myself a pretty big fan of both the athletics department and of VPI lore as well. Maybe it's a 21st century thing... Anyway, I think it makes us look extremely silly if that's the most significant tidbit we can think of to write about the University on the main page. There are dozens of other important or more generally-accepted pieces of information that could be added instead. Chris 23:40, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * You're absolutely right, there are many more interesting facts that pretty much all Hokies would know about. I'm eventually aiming towards expanding the Athletics section, maybe splitting off into a separate article if it gets too big. That's why I added the "square root of 1" tidbit in the first place &mdash; it's the first bit of trivia associated with the VT logo that came to my mind. Apparently only half the Hokies here have heard of it though, which really surprises me. &bull; Benc &bull; 05:10, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * I've heard of the ol' square root of one business. I'm a '02 grad, and I know most of my (math/engineering major) friends have heard of it. I'd keep it in there if it were me. I love the idea of a bigger/distinct athletics section. I mean, come on there is no mention of Vick on the page. I know he hasn't been around for long, but right now he is deffinitley one of the more famous people to come out of VT MaxPower 19:54, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * I presume you mean Michael, of course. Marcus would be more "infamous"... Chris 21:45, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * Har! I'd rather not think about him... ; ) MaxPower 15:23, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

My father who graduated in 68 told me about it many years before I started here in 02. Ryanluck 08:07, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Athletics in General
I agree with Benc that there is room for more information about athletics, perhaps mentioning each of the varsity and club sports would help. while the football team has been impressive, i have to say that for some years the virtually unfunded rugby team was also impressive, as has been women's rugby and other club sports. there is a long history of football that could be written up and some public domain pictures of the grey and white 'prison uniforms'..... there is quite a bit that i think would rate significantly above the realm of trivia, esoterica, and has some significant cultural history. but then someone has to write it, i'm happy to verify it when i can and i'll write some bits and pieces. --buridan


 * I agree. There's a lot we can do to improve these pages.  It's impressive what people have been able to accomplish over the past year.  Seeing as how the University keeps such tight control over the licensing of its logo, perhaps someone still residing in "The Burg" could snap a nice drillfield shot and upload it for the main page...  Chris 03:47, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Also the Golf team has been consistently pretty darn awesome, if memory serves. MaxPower 15:25, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

University of Virginia rivalry

 * See also: Talk:University of Virginia

I removed a modification to the text explaining the UVa rivalry that belittles UVa. Interesting note: I added a factual paragraph onto both Virginia Tech and University of Virginia. Within several hours, both paragraphs received POV edits: the VT version called UVa "small", while the UVa version was summarily removed and denounced as "Hokie propaganda." Please keep this NPOV. This is a serious encyclopedia, not a place to express your support for your school by belittling its rivals.

If you want to expand on the facets of the rivalry, please edit school rivalry, a new stub article I recently created. Just remember the NPOV policy. Thanks, &bull; Benc &bull; 00:32, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

true, but uva is smaller, check the statistics, lesser was a jab though.

famous alums
many other university pages have lists of famous alumni, perhaps our should too.....?


 * Michael Vick Note: Neither Vick graduated, they were either drafted or kicked out (Marcus) before the graduated.
 * Bruce Smith
 * Governor Mark Warner -- EDIT: Warner did not attend Virginia Tech. He went to George Washington University and Harvard Law School.
 * Christopher Craft Jr. -nasa
 * Homer Hickam Jr. -astronaut
 * Robert Richardson -nobel prize winner

come to mind immediately, are there others vt has a website of some distinguished alums, but most are businessmen/women or academics, and not particularly famous at all, so what others should go up?


 * There are a lot of members of the military currently listed as famous alumni with no explanation. Could someone go through and tell us why they're famous? Lord Bodak 6 July 2005 15:28 (UTC)
 * Well i think there is a fair argument that anyone above of the rank of general that has had a general command would be famous to about 8000 or more people givent he structure of command.  I think the medal of honor winners are a bit more solid though. Buridan 7 July 2005 20:43 (UTC)
 * Another interesting not this that there is only one rank above General is President and VT has never graduated anyone who have gone on to be that.


 * Researching this. Only 3 and 4 Star Generals are listed, unless they got the Medal of Honor or have a famous quote attributed to them.  3 and 4 stars are indeed famous.  A few have bios in other parts of WIKI-PEDIA.G. Moore 8 July 2005 01:42 (UTC)

I added the two Rhodes scholars. Bill Lewis was from the 60s, Mark from 1996. Incidentally, they're both nice people and engaging conversationalists.


 * There are 32 Rhodes scholars from the U.S. every year - that's more than 1,200 since Lewis got his. That's not much of a criteria for "famous", IMHO ... - DavidWBrooks 21:00, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * since it is an academic honor, and it is quite famous. i think it qualifies for a university listing, because universities build their reputation on such honors.  --Buridan 22:04, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * His fame is more grounded on the fact that he was a partner at McKinsey and first director of the McKinsey Global Institute Ryanluck 15:32, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

I've removed two "distinguished" alumni that do not appear meet any sort of notability requirement: HokieRNB 18:40, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Andrew Johnson, Class of 2001 - Assistant Professor of Industrial and Systems Engineering at Texas A&M University
 * Robert C. Wales, Class of 1962 - Former Director Redevelopment Agency and Assistant City Manager, Riverside, CA

Pictures/Logo/Seal

 * We are in need of two things I think. I just added the info box to the page. I basically lifted it off of the UVa page actually(thief). If someone could figure out how/where to get the VT Logo (The Pillars logo I am thinking) and upload it that would be great. Is that considered fair use of the logo? --MaxPower 19:13, 2004 Nov 19 (UTC)


 * Also it would be swell if someone could grab a good shot of Burrus and the Drill Field for near the top of the article. Anyone live on campus or in town? --MaxPower 19:13, 2004 Nov 19 (UTC)


 * I've got some photos of Burruss, but they're pretty gloomy looking. I'll see if I can get nicer ones when I get back from fall break. --Geoff 07:52, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * the university is very clear about using the logo, there is no fair use. to use it we need permission http://www.unirel.vt.edu/logo/studentusage.html  and the visual standards guidelines too. --Buridan 16:00, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Don't think so. By your reasoning, we should remove logos on all university articles in Wikipedia, since most US universities have close to the same permission guidelines. This use of the logo does fall under fair use.  &mdash;Lowellian (talk)   04:05, Nov 22, 2004 (UTC)
 * you may want to revisit the fair use doctrine in this sort of situation. you may be right, but it is not clear that this is necessarily fair use http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/index.html  i'm not saying you'd be wrong, but it certainly isn't clear cut in most cases, nor this one it seems to me.  other universities' policies may differ,  however, vt provides clear guidelines, the logo likely falls under a de minimis defense, sooo, you can follow them or not.  if not, then you need to be clear how it is fair us according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Logos . --Buridan 04:28, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * After looking at some other university's pages, I think we could get away with tagging the image as . Now if only I could find a good clean version of the logo/seal. this page purports to have the logo available for dl, but I couldn't get at them. That is another question, does anyone have a preference for the seal vs. the logo? I think I would go with the logo (as seen at the top of this page) myself.--MaxPower 20:45, 2004 Dec 15 (UTC)
 * Why doesn't someone who is more motivated than I, email University Relations and see? Any takers? --MaxPower 15:33, 2004 Nov 22 (UTC)


 * Why was the logo removed with no discussion? Lord Bodak 03:55, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

I Placed an image of the School seal on the table page of the article, and cited it under Logo- Fair Use as there were precedents with other schools. If this cannot be the case with VT and anybody thinks I'm stepping on toes, by all means take it off. Personally, I believe fair use applies to the seal here, as it does with any other school seal not being used in a commercial/for profit application. The seal fulfills the criteria in the section on Fair Use.--SoundGod3 19:34, 2005 June 9 (UTC)


 * To follow up on Buridan's year-old comment about seeking permission from University Relations. The logo has two types of protection -- copyright protection and trademark protection.  Fair use applies only to copyright infringement, and the usage here is almost certainly Fair (but IANAL...)  Trademark infringement is not an issue, since no reasonable person would confuse Wikipedia for Virginia Tech, and 'our' use is noncommercial. 128.173.105.144 19:30, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

rural
i removed rural because it is quickly becoming a stretch of the imagination to call this area that. there is around 180000 people within 50 miles.... semi-rural might work, but i'd say this is about as rural as state college, pa. not very. before i did this, i checked the university relations page to see if they used the term rural to describe the university, to the best of my ability to discern, they don't. blacksburg is a 'town', but as i recall it is the biggest town in virginia, so, unless there is some official definition that i'm missing, i don't think it is definably rural. --Buridan 16:20, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * It's still rural enough to not have capital letters, apparently. - DavidWBrooks 18:00, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * actually, you'll find this tendency throughout society. it is more common in some populations, but i doubt it has any relation to rural areas. --Buridan 22:42, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Yeah I had it in there, and then took it out, and then put it back in. I am fine with it either way, whatever concensus is. --MaxPower 15:31, 2004 Nov 22 (UTC)

largest univerisity?
isn't vt the largest university in virginia? it is certainly the largest state university. which one is bigger? --Buridan 17:57, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * largest enrollment, certainly. - DavidWBrooks 19:18, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * actually, i've found that it is very close in terms of overall enrollment between here and gmu, the numbers differ by at most 500 last year and they were slightly larger. i do think that with over 3000 acres on main campus, we are the largest university in that respect....  --Buridan 16:10, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

sexual crimes info

 * In 1994, Christy Brzonkala, a freshman student, was allegedly raped by two members of the football team, Antonio Morrison and James Crawford. She filed suit against the two men in a case that reached the Supreme Court as United States v. Morrison. Brzonkala also sued Virginia Tech for allegedly protecting the football players and attempting to dissuade her from pursuing her case. Virginia Tech eventually settled for $75,000, a relatively small sum that did not in itself seriously affect the university financially; however, the case damaged Virginia Tech's reputation and raised a firestorm of controversy over Virginia Tech's handling of sexual crimes.

this seems a bit dated to me, it does not play significantly in vt history in its current day, and thus, i think it should be removed. it is not that it isn't an important little bit of history, but if we consider neutrality and relevance to the audience, this doesn't belong here, it might belong on a larger 'history of vt' page. --Buridan 04:39, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I could agree with that. I would be hesitant on removing it if there was no other home for it though. Maybe it could be reworded? --MaxPower 14:29, 2005 Mar 21 (UTC)
 * even if it is reworded, i don't think that mentioning sex crimes or even this event merits a main page entry. It seems to me that it's sole purpose is to retreive a bit of history that is documented elsewhere, specifically at  [United_States_v._Morrison].  We could put a link to the case somewhere on the page i suppose, but i'm not sure that it a defining part of its history.  --Buridan 16:56, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The information is factual as written. If you think it is POV because it has too heavy a place in an article of this length, then the correct solution is to expand the article and write more about Virginia Tech's history at other times. Removing the information wholesale is censorship. This was an important event that garnered national attention. &mdash;Lowellian (talk) 18:22, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
 * factual yes, pertinent, no, neutral, no. if we put in every national event where vt garnered attention, we would have too long of an article.  this to me seems like it is blatantly an attempt to drudge up history to continue to bring attention to an incident institution that lowered the institutions reputation, and thus continue that issue.  it might be 'factual', but that does not mean it is neutral.  It also isn't pertinent to the history of virginia tech, it is pertinent to the supreme court decision.  That is where this should be discussed, not on the vt page.  I'll edit it to provide the appropriate link. --Buridan 18:36, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I like your most recent revision! --MaxPower 13:46, 2005 Mar 22 (UTC)

In 1994, Virginia Tech was sued by Christy Brzonkala in the Supreme Court as United States v. Morrison. Brzonkala alleged that Virginia Tech attempted to protect the football players which she accused of raping her and that Virginia Tech attempted to dissuade her from pursuing her case. The Supreme Court case centered around issues around the United States Congress's ability to make laws under the Commerce Clause of the Constitution.


 * Buridan, your most recent revision (given above) is also acceptable to me. &mdash;Lowellian (talk) 10:55, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)

links
I removed a couple of those rate-professor external links as being unnecessary and peripheral. Wikipedia isn't a link farm and anybody who really wants to know about their professor can google those sites. - DavidWBrooks 21:14, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Academic
Can we expand the Academics section? Perhaps some suggestions of what to include could generate some ideas. I'm not too fond of the Athletics section being longer than the Academics section. Ryanluck 05:30, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Some starters: A list of the colleges, number of degrees and academic programs, mention of the Honors program, various scholarship programs, rankings of programs, information about the libraries, a discussion of the undergraduate program, information about the extension offices, average GPA & test scores and whatever else for entering students
 * if you want to do it, do it. go look at what other universities have.  i'd avoid information that changes year by year though.
 * Good point. Perhaps just different organization of the information and a bit of sprucing up the content is all that's required.  I'll try to do that in the next few days. Ryanluck 05:11, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Not to incite flaming, but does the Math Emporium warrant mention? As far as i know it's a unique experiment for a university in space and scope; would spice up the "Academia" section, provided it didn't fall under "Campus".&mdash;Crazilla 16:46, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * the basic principle of wikipedia is to add it, and then discuss it if someone removes it. so write it up and add it.--Buridan 17:55, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone have an updated Times of London ranking? They've published at least once since the 2004 rankings, so this may as well be up to date.Cka3n

i think you might be refering to the http://thes.co.uk world's 200 report, in 2005 it was pay to see only. it is online at http://www.thes.co.uk/worldrankings/. i might have an old copy somewhere, virginia tech was in it as i recall. found it... here's the relevant numbers:


 * 117 North Carolina University US 37 9 3 17 75 144.3
 * 118= Virginia University US 53 6 10 17 54 144.0
 * 118= Seoul National University South Korea 83 6 20 9 21 144.0
 * 199 Virginia Polytechnic Institute US 56 10 7 11 17 103.0
 * 200 Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute US 24 19 9 9 38 102.9

--Buridan 03:12, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

An article for every building?
I see we now have a bunch of stubs on individual buildings. Anyone else think this is uneccessary? I think an individual dorm or dining hall would have to be pretty extraordinary to warrant an article of it's own. Some of these articles have little bits of trivia that should be merged into the main article if they're going to be anywhere. Friday (talk) 14:38, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

i'd rather not see that gludge in the main article, but that's me. I figured the author had an idea about what he or she was doing and was going to work on this for a while. --Buridan 23:02, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

What do you think about having a separate page for the list of buildings and the few pieces of trivia for each building? Together, this might make a satisfactory article. The list of notable alumni is also getting pretty long and might be put on a separate page "List of notable Virginia Tech Alumni". Wanted to get other thoughts before I move things. Talk to Dr. M 01:19, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

The Michigan State University that was a featured article on 21 May has some good ideas for how to make a state university Wiki page more attractive. Treat this as a challenge to get more Hokies involved in contributing to the Virginia Tech page. BE BOLD! 66.44.54.228

Big POV problems in Academics
Adding the numbers to make citations easier, it now says: "(1)Virginia Tech faculty are the leading experts in their field with nearly all faculty having a PhD or other terminal degree. (2)With many professors conducting research outside of the classroom and with private, corporate and federal funding, Virginia Tech is one of the nation's leading research institutions and the Virginia's leading research institute. (3)Tech's faculty boasts Nobel Prize recipients and other national and international prize recipients. (4)Faculty members also include Chairpersons of international companies and other leading experts and leaders of industry."

(1) A PhD is not an indication of leading in the field. Also, I've had a few pretty crappy professors who I'm pretty sure weren't leaders in anything at all. (2) "the Virginia's" doesn't make sense. Also, every research university in the world "conducts research outside of the classroom" and receives "private, corporate and federal funding." (3) There are no Nobel Prize winners at Virginia Tech. The only two affiliated with Virginia Tech are James Buchanan, a former Economics professor now at George Mason, and Robert Richardson, a VTCC member who did his undergrad and masters at VT. Neither won while on the faculty at Virginia Tech. If we have recipients of "other national and international prizes" then please list them. (4) Likewise, a list would be halpful here.

As it is I'm going to take out that paragraph. If someon can clean it up (and it needs a lot of cleaning up) then feel free to put it back in. Ryanluck 11:40, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

(1) being able to teach is not indicative of being a lead researcher or not. some great teachers are great researchers, some are not. given the population of ph.d.'s and researchers in the world, and given the amount of funding that passes through vt. it is easy to see that this could be true in many cases, and it really depends on what you mean by 'the leading'. is there one leader in a field or... as is more likely the case, somewhere between 5 and 200 people that lead any field at any given time. (2) is actually true if you look at the statistics and you define the terms. (3)buchanon did the research for his nobel at virginia tech. there is a long story behind it that includes why the center for public administration and policy is not related to the dept. of political science, but instead is in the school of architecture. (4)what counts? fullbrights? rhodes scholars? art prizes? to compile these and keep them up to date with a faculty that is fairly fluid is pretty difficult. (5)I don't know many from this list, but there are likely a few, including for instance the designer of the big mac computer...

so? should i revert it now? --11:52, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Academics as is remains unsatisfying, but doesn't present any big problems. I think we need to be careful with something someone said earlier: that Wikipedia is not a brochure. If we can't cite things like "national and international prizes" then we ought to make sure we mention them in a way that couldn't be considered soapboxing. As you suggest, defining terms and quoting statistics is vital to making this encylcopedia meaningful and making the article as good as it can be. Also, just to continue the discussion, Buchanan did do lots of work with the Center for Public Choice while in the Economics department at VT. He currently holds an Emeritus position jointly in that department and in Philosophy. His career spanned several universities. The work he did with Tullock, Calculus of Consent, was done while at UCLA, while Limits of Liberty & Power to Tax were completed at VT. He took the Center for Public Choice to George Mason in 1983, just before being awarded the Nobel in 1986. I don't know how the current Center for Public Administration and Policy is related to the Center for Public Choice --- it seems like they are two distinct entities. Ryanluck 05:30, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Buildings
Some of the buildings are notable enough for their own page. For example, Lee Hall, because of the controversy over the name absolutely deserves its own page. If you were at Tech during the 97-98 year, you remember how it was all anyone talked about and it was constantly on the news. Googling around, I saw that there were more protests in 2004. I guess the school is going to have to go through this every time the student body gets recycled and nobody remembers the previous pointless arguments. Also, West End, conspicuous by its absence, has gained a ton of recognition nationally. Lane Stadium and Cassell obviously get their own pages. Burruss? Maybe ... it's notable simply from its iconic status, though I don't know that there is enough to make an article about it. Pritchard also has gained a lot of recognition (largest all-male non-military residence hall east of the Mississippi) but again, I don't know if there is enough to warrant an article without it being a lot of original research.

So my thoughts would be these buildings get their own page:


 * Lane Stadium
 * Cassell Coliseum
 * Lee Hall (Virginia Tech)
 * West End Market
 * No objection against leaving Burruss Hall or creating Pritchard Hall if someone wants to take the time and add content
 * Everything else gets merged into Virginia Tech Campus

Any thoughts?

BigDT 14:42, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I have moved everything except Lane, Cassell, and Lee Hall to Virginia Tech Campus. I'm in the process of cleaning stuff up. I have some photos that I've taken over the years that I will add at some point.  Also, annoyingly, I noticed while googling one of the buildings to make sure that I correctly remembered the new name for the NEB that some of the descriptions pretty closely match ones from official VT websites.  That annoys me that this obvious copyvio went unnoticed for so long. I'll work on fixing those.  If anyone else wants to help, please do so. BigDT 05:20, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Source
Is there a source for VT owning land in every single VA county? That's impressive if true...


 * I looked for a source for a while, but I could find nothing remotely suggesting this. Accordingly, I will delete it and if anyone finds a source, it can be replaced.  Note that nothing of the sort is mentioned at http://www.vtnews.vt.edu/factbook/FBabout.php or at http://www.vt.edu/aboutvt/universityataglance.html Cka3n 04:21, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Perhaps this was a reference to the VCE program that Tech participates in. http://www.ext.vt.edu/offices/.  I didn't check every county, but they sure have a bunch of offices.  If this is it, I don't think this supports the original sentence, since it is not clear who owns the property those offices are on, and it is clear that VCE is not VT, even if VT participates. Cka3n 04:24, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * this position is probably from the extension system which vt runs. there is an extension office in every county.   however vt doesn't have any land, as the land is the state of virginias...  in one way 'land is every county' is true, if you count extension.   --Buridan 12:36, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Existence of an extension office in each county (and some cities) doesn't imply real estate ownership. Some extension offices are located within larger county government centers, which definitely aren't VT-owned -- see Chesterfield and Richmond City, just to name two.  VT hawkeye talk to me 03:59, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

The pamphlet the VTPD hands out states VT owns land in every county in virginia thus they have jurisdiction in every county in va.(198.82.114.65 19:06, 27 February 2007 (UTC))

Reversing text order?
An anonymous user recently reordered the text in the notable alums section (see this diff), is their any good reason for doing this? --Matthew 22:28, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I have no heartbreak on it either way. Having sports listed last isn't a horrible idea so that readers won't get the impression that this article is all about sports ... but I don't feel strongly about it either way. --BigDT 22:32, 12 January 2007 (UTC)