Talk:Visa requirements for New Zealand citizens

Indian Visa Requirements
Afj773 recently reverted my update to India's visa requirements.

His posted reason was: Corrected entry. India uses an e-visa. Not a guide

"eVisa" does not imply Visa Required | Visa on Arrival

 * I agree that India uses an e-visa. However, you must apply (online) for the visa 4 days before departing for India; you cannot apply for it on arrival.  It is therefore not a visa on arrival, just a modern visa application system.  To see this, click on the reference in the main page, then "Instructions for Applicant" (it's JavaScript so no direct link).  A quote of the first point on that page is below.   Kwutchak (talk) 11:08, 19 September 2016 (UTC).


 * Applicants of the eligible countries/territories may apply online minimum 4 days in advance of the date of arrival with a window of 30 days. Example : If you are applying on 1st Sept then applicant can select arrival date from 5th Sept to 4th Oct.


 * The table uses a template which is used on all similar pages relating to Visa Requirements for other nations. My edits were correct as per the reference provided, India uses an "e-visa" which supersedes "Visa on Arrival" for New Zealand citizens. The edit reflects the response by user Twofortnights to an earlier edit you did on 3 June 2015. Ajf773 (talk) 18:50, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, I take your point. Kwutchak (talk) 21:23, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Tl;dr Whether a Visa is electronic or not provides a different distinction than whether a Visa is available on entry or required before boarding the aeroplane. Writing "e-Visa" in a column devoted to stating whether a visa is available on arrival therefore does not answer the question.  Instead, it provides supplemental information.   Kwutchak (talk) 22:41, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * However, to my mind that just indicates that the actual issue is with the reference provided. To my reading the tag "eVisa" is unclear.  Countries either require a Visa or don't require a Visa before you're allowed to enter at one of their ports.  Nowhere that I have seen (specifically not before the table in question) does this page indicate whether an "e-visa" implies "visa required" or "visa not required".  I can't speak for the other countries with the "eVisa" label, but in India's case it most definitely falls under "Visa Required".  You do have to have a Visa travelling to India with a Nz passport.  The distinction being made here is that although the Visa is required, you can apply online.  As an example of the ambiguity, your text above, by saying it 'supersedes "Visa on Arrival"' suggests that in some cases an e-Visa is an example of "Visa on Arrival". I appreciate that you may not have written what you had in mind, but this just shows the ambiguity of the term "eVisa". Kwutchak (talk) 21:23, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Fwiw, I am particularly interested in (what I see as) this issue on the page being clarified as I nearly had large travel issues when I wasn't clear what "eVisa" meant. I read this page before travelling to India for the first time last year.  I took "eVisa" to mean that I'd need to do something online, but entering India would be no problem.  Quite the contrary.  I applied late (less than 4 days) and only through share luck was my application approved just before I needed to check in to my flight to India... Kwutchak (talk) 21:23, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I looked up "eVisa" on Wikipedia Electronic Visas. The text there indicates that the distinction with an "electronic visa" is paperwork; there is no need to physically put anything into the traveller's passport.  The eVisa does not explicitly state whether an electronic visa is an example of "Visa on Arrival" or "Visa Required".  In India's case, again, it is required.  However I see no reason a country couldn't provide a visa on arrival electronically; in fact I'd guess that's what happens in most cases of "Visa on Arrival" countries; the Visa is recorded electronically against the traveller's passport. Kwutchak (talk) 21:36, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Not a guide
I don't understand what Afj773 means by "not a guide"


 * See WP:NOTGUIDE. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a how-to manual or guide. If people want to apply for an e-visa to India, they can find all the information provided in the reference. Ajf773 (talk) 10:34, 19 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Ok, I understand that. Which part of my edit are you referring to here?  Perhaps the text "requires online application 4 days before arrival in India."?  My point is not to instruct people how to apply, but rather the term "Visa on Arrival" when used by the government of India does not have an equivalent meaning to "Visa on Arrival" being used on this page.  Can you recommend a better phrasing of that point?  Kwutchak (talk) 11:08, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Australia
There is no "freedom of movement" between NZ and Australia. NZers are usually granted a "special category visa" at the point of entry, which allows unlimited stay, work, etc. However, this visa is not a right, and can be denied, with criminal convictions the most common reason. This does not constitute EU-style "freedom of movement". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.72.61.38 (talk) 22:34, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The details are in the notes section which link to the Trans-Tasman Travel Arrangement article. Freedom of movement seems like the most precise way to describe the visa policy. Ajf773 (talk) 22:38, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The freedom of movement in the EU is also not unlimited. Member states reserve the right to remove any individuals who pose a risk although the bar is set pretty high, national security etc. Also it's the freedom of movement of workers, students or people who are self-sustainable and not everyone. Yet it remains the freedom of movement. We can add in notes something like "conditions apply" or similar.--Twofortnights (talk) 22:43, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

South Africa
Visa requirements are being scrapped. Not 100% sure when this takes effect. 169.0.60.62 (talk) 16:55, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

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Bhutan
According to the table and reference, Bhutan requires a visa issued in advance. However, the map shows it as issuing a visa on arrival. Could someone please update the map.- gadfium 07:28, 19 October 2020 (UTC)