Talk:Visegrád Group

Fall behind west
I deleted the sentence "After Slovenia, the Visegrád Group are the wealthiest post-Communist countries in Europe, but they still fall significantly behind the Western economies." because it's not true, at least not anymore. Look at countries like Portugal which are as wealthy as Czech Republic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.173.13.31 (talk) 19:23, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. Also Spain and Greece are even poorer than the v4 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.135.110.245 (talk) 08:34, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Function of the Visegrád Group
o, like, what does it do, what's it about? The term "furthering the integration" is very vague and the whole thing might be merely cordial... --Shallot 11:09, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * It is. Ausir 19:42, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * Anything new to update this article? I agree that there should be more to address the purpose of the group.  Perhaps along the lines of an alliance for common defense of member states from historical antagonists Russia and Germany?  This is pure speculation on my part, BTW.  --Dymaxion (talk) 22:14, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * In hindsight of Russia's recent actions, you may be right.142.105.159.60 (talk) 06:08, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

I am curious who were the kings of each country who took part in the meeting. Also, a pronunciation key for Visegrad would be nice, as it's not something that shows up in the dictionary (at least not on m-w.com).


 * The Hungarian king mentioned has to be Charles Robert since he was our king between 1308–1342. Wikipedia says the king of Poland was Casimir III and the king of Bohemia was John of Luxembourg at that time. -- Pronunciation: "i" is spelled as in "it", s = sh, "a" as in "father", I guess it's something like vi-sheh-grahd but I'm really not good at these. Alensha 23:49, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Slovenia?
Do you mean Slovakia, or are you confused?


 * No, it's correct. --Ton e 16:00, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Move page name to Visegrad Group
The web site and the treaty use the name Visegrad Group in English, so I think that this page should be under that name. (see WP:NC ) See: --Philip Baird Shearer 22:16, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * http://www.visegradgroup.org/ comes up in English! and uses "Visegrad Group"
 * http://www.visegradfund.org comes up in English. and uses "International Visegrad Fund"
 * http://www.visegradfund.org/download/statute.pdf in which the name used is Visegrad with no accent marks, but this is not a font restriction because the names of the town where it was signed and some of the signatories have accent marks on their names.


 * No, your speculation is completely wrong, e without the accent is nothing but a technical restriction. You could rename all less known European towns to versions without accents with the same "arguments". Juro 08:03, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

This is not about the town it is about the name of an organisation called "Visegrad Group". From http://www.visegradfund.org/download/statute.pdf
 * The international Visegrad Fund (herinafter...
 * Done at Štiřín on the ninth day of June in the year two thousand in a single original in the English Language to be deposited with the Government of the Slovak Republic.

It it is just a technical restriction how do you explain the Statute above which is a PDF document if it is a technical restriction? As I said the PDF includes accent marks on the town Stirin (Štiřín) and several of the signatories, but it does not have an accent mark on the word Visegrad. --Philip Baird Shearer 08:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

no consensus to move. — Mets 501 (talk) 16:44, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Requested move
Visegrád Group → Visegrad Group – "Visegrad Group" is the spelling used by the group's official English website.

Survey
Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion with ~
 * Support as originator. Olessi 21:13, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose correct name is Viségrad. Website lacks perfectionism, but that doesn't imply Wikipedia has to follow. Curiously, the very first page of the website displays "Viségrad Group Official Website" on the browser tab.-- Hús  ö  nd  03:48, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose. No harm done in keeping the proper spelling on. -- Asterion talk 16:50, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Support as it's what the group uses in English. FairHair 22:50, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Discussion
As mentioned in the earlier discussion, "Visegrad Group" is the phrasing used in the group's website and funding site. It is not an issue of simply removing the acute accent "á" for an English audience, as many diacritics are used elsewhere on the pages (such as Dolný Kubín at ; České Budějovice at ). The officials deliberately chose to use the phrase "Visegrad Group" without the diacritic. Olessi 21:13, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
 * I'm still not clear as to which usages of the word Visegrad/Visegrád should preserve the diacritic.Jimjamjak (talk) 16:13, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Very strange decision. This doesn't fit any of the spellings on the Visegrad Group's website:
 * Czech: Visegrádské skupiny
 * Hungarian: Visegrádi csoport
 * Polish: Grupy Wyszehradzkiej
 * Slovenian: Vyšehradskej skupiny
 * And of course English: Visegrad Group
 * Which is also the spelling that's used in every one of the Visegrad Group's logos, one of which is already included on the article page. Stefanmuc (talk) 10:48, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Economies
Is it useful to compare the V4 group's overall economy to that of an individual country (i.e. Slovenia)? It seems to me to be a rather unclear comparison - is this statement referring to the overall economic power of the group, the economies of all four states (individually) or the average of the economies? If this is resolved then the grammar issue in the statement introducing this information can be cleared up. Jimjamjak (talk) 16:18, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

In addition, the whole section needs sources and the subjective POV cleaned up Gerald Jarosch (talk) 01:33, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Visegrád Battlegroup
"On 14 March 2014, signed a pact" who signed a pact? the reference url is useless — Preceding unsigned comment added by Expectationlost (talk • contribs) 11:59, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

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Correction under “Poland”?
In this sentence:

The Polish economy is the sixth-largest in the EU and one of the fastest-growing economies in Europe, with a yearly growth rate of over 3.0% before the late-2000s recession.

should “the late-2000s recession” be “the early-2000s recession”?

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problem caused by accent in URL
I just (2017 Nov 11) experienced a problem linking to this article.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visegrád_Group

I included it in a comment under a WSJ news article. When the comment was published, the URL was terminated with the “r” preceding the “á”:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visegr

I changed the “á” to “a” and republished the comment:

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Relations with Austria
The entire section creates major issues of undue weight and POV, since this V4+ (plus) format was also extended to other countries such as Romania, Bulgaria and Croatia — in which case, Austria is no more special than the others. Also, when asked about extending a formal V4 invitation for Austria to join the group, Hungary's PM Victor Orban stated that the strength of the V4 group lies in similar economics, culture and historical struggles, thus extending the membership to countries such as Austria would not increase the group's cohesion but work to its detriment. --E-960 (talk) 21:54, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Article's illustration
Why on Earth the map of V4 contains also the EU members marked in blue?? What EU has to do with V4? maybe we should also mark the members of Eurozone, European Space Agency and EURATOM? This article is about the V4, take the EU away! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.0.123.57 (talk) 18:42, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

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Country comparison
I would like to react on @FromCzech's edit. I think it makes more sense to use the name ‘Czechia’ in the field ‘name’. The other countries have the short name in that field. The formal name is mentioned under the field. This would get the reader more information and more complex view at the situation. (The formal name is also mentioned, so the posibility of confussion equals zero.) Martin Tauchman (talk) 18:03, 3 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Common name is used. I corrected the style following the example of Hungary. FromCzech (talk) 19:33, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It is not true since Hunary's short name and long name do not differ. Martin Tauchman (talk) 08:11, 9 July 2022 (UTC)