Talk:Vitamin B12 deficiency/Archive 2

Awfully written section: Signs, Symptoms and Effects
Can I get some consensus to put the section back to something that is readable and makes some sense? The section "Signs, symptoms and effects" is currently written in very poor English, indecipherable in spots. So I reverted it to a version that appeared at 13:44, 10 September 2021, just before the text went completely off the rails. I was bold, it was reverted ( - edit summary: "restore a better version"), and now I'd like to discuss it before I revert it back. Any opinions, then, on whether this is truly a better version? It includes such text as: I'm challeged to say what those last two sentences even mean. The text is full of writing that is very difficult to understand, if any sense at all can be made of it. So, can I get some consensus to put the section back to something that is readable and makes some sense? signed, Willondon (talk) 14:25, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * "The symptoms of vitamin B12 deficiency can develop slowly and worsen over time - because is stored in substantial amounts in the liver mainly for about 3 to 5 years - until it is needed by the body. because may become used to not feeling well; therefore the symptoms may often goes unrecognized" (the first sentence)
 * "The signs are often digestive and neurological problems caused by a presence of anemia, symptoms usually take time to appear before causes a pernicious anemia type."
 * "The deficiency often appears due to poor absorption or genetic disorders, which are rare to occur with decreased intake".


 * Im sorry. I do not want anyone to experience my suffering. It is difficult to diagnose a deficiency at first. It is often caused by genetic conditions or poor absorption rather than low dietary intake. So I want to help everyone who suffers and doesn't know what's going on. Yes, my English may be a bit unintelligible, but you can help me and fill me with hope. and than you for everything. Johna188 (talk) 03:00, 23 January 2022 (UTC) and thank you for everything ** Johna188 (talk) 03:01, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello Willondon - I missed your earlier comments and would say that I totally agree with you. I've been trying to copy edit and it's quite a challenge! There is no way this article now meets a B class.--Iztwoz (talk) 15:24, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * After my first post (two months ago now), I didn't see any reaction from the community (including 168 watchers of the article) to support reverting. So I did a fair bit of copyediting myself. What I've learned from volunteer work: criticize once, things might improve; criticize twice, you're just begging to be assigned the job. So I'm happy to continue monitoring the page and providing piecemeal copyediting. If I were to undertake a more involved project, it would be to structure (maybe with a template) and/or trim the many, lengthy, Happy Fun Ball lists of symptoms and side effects. If I were to trim, I'd want some feedback on criteria to use in deciding what should make the list(s). Cheers.  signed, Willondon (talk)  16:23, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Many thanks!--Iztwoz (talk) 16:50, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Knuckle pad hyperpigmentation
I've uploaded an image of one cutaneous sign that may present in B12 deficiency - knuckle pad hyperpigmentation. Cheers from Yekaterinburg, --CopperKettle (talk) 13:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC) CopperKettle (talk) 13:47, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * File:Knuckle pad hyperpigmentation in 29 yo female with B12 deficiency.png