Talk:Vivienne Goonewardene/GA1

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Reviewer: SusunW (talk · contribs) 14:26, 19 October 2020 (UTC) I'll be happy to review this one. Expect slow but steady and give me a day or so to start posting queries. ;) SusunW (talk) 14:26, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No worries! Take as long as you need. Thanks, SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 15:56, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

General Comment
References need work. If an author is given for any work, they should be credited for their work. Title should be the name of the article, not the name of the publication. Newspapers and magazines are not webpages. Books should have complete cites with ISBN/OCLC #s and always give page numbers. Titles should be in title case, i.e. Vivi: a biography of vivienne goonewardena should be Vivi: A Biography of Vivienne Goonewardena, etc. If there are open access links to sources, those should be used, but having multiple inaccessible links is confusing. All citations should use the same link for a single source. Likewise, they should have the same citation. For example, both  and   are used for the same work, but show different links and authors. The first citation appears to be correct, as it is a chapter by Jayawardena in the book edited by Muthiah, et al. but the link goes to a page in Sinhala which is not open access, so the link should be to the English version. (Page citation in the book ref should be to the pages the chapter is between; page citations thereafter are to specific pages). SusunW (talk) 23:23, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Early life

 * Political should not be capitalized in the header
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 14:42, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * According to Duraisingam, her name was Violet Vivienne.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 14:42, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Duraisingam is a book and you should include place of publication and isbn/oclc #, as well as page numbers. A quick check of worldcat indicates is it self-published. WP:RSSELF says Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the subject matter, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable, independent publications. My web search did not turn up other publications by Duraisingam, but perhaps you are aware of other publications? If it cannot be confirmed that the book meets RS criteria, it should be replaced with a source that confirms the information and meets the criteria.
 * ✅ Thanks for catching that. SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 14:42, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Wijesekera is a book, should list place of publication and page numbers. Though only snippet view is available to me, I find no hits for Don Allenson Goonetilleke, Emily Angeline Gunawardena, monarchy, or conservative in this book that would pertain to her father's political views.
 * I have a copy of the book – will try and pull up the quote.
 * On another note, she does speak of her fathers strong conservatism in the linked archived audio interviews. SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 16:02, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Ervin is a book, should list place of publication and page numbers. Again can only see snippet view. Confirms parents' names in a search but not info on father's political views. Found an open source for the book, but still no confirmation of father's views.
 * Apologies for all of these – I was using the Wiki automatic citation bot. I'll correct the issues. I've changed the source to one that reflects the conservatism; another has been added (the encyclopedia of Sri Lanka) specifically mentions this.✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 14:42, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Was her father a medical doctor?
 * Yes. See ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 14:42, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Why is her mother's name spelled Gunawardena and hers spelled Gunawardene? I find both versions in searches for both subject and mother. This should be discussed in a footnote.
 * Unusually, it seems that the "e" and "a" are interchangeable in Sri Lanka. I agree that a footnote would be helpful, but don't tend to use them. Would you mind adding one? SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 14:42, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I added a note. There are other ways to format them, but this is the only way I know how, as I am not very good with WP technically. You will notice that I added a "bibliography" section under references. Were it me, I would move all the book sources here (okay, in truth, I would move all references there) and simply input the anchors with page numbers in the text. It's much simpler not to have to read "around" the refs to me, and allows you to just input as citations. SusunW (talk) 16:43, 24 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Liyanage is a book, should list place of publication and page numbers.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 14:42, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * grandfather should not be capitalized
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 14:42, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Wikivoice does not typically use honorifics MOS:HON . I am a bit confused by the inclusion of "Don" as it seems to me that after reading Erwin's Madras Musings article, this is indeed the honorific Don (honorific), rather than part of the name. Erwin calls Goonewardene's grandfather "Don" and his daughter "Dona Caroline Rupasinghe Gunawardena". That makes me question if her father's name includes an honorific as well.
 * That's an interesting point. D. S. Senanayake also includes Don. in his name. As per Don (honorific), it seems that it's also used "as a mark of esteem for a person of personal, social or official distinction, such as a community leader of long standing, a person of significant wealth". It seems that most sources call her father "Don Allenson Goonetilleke,", and I've continued with this. Any thoughts would be great.
 * I truly don't know. I don't understand how titles work, nor which ones must be included and which ones shouldn't be. I'm going to ping and see if his British eyes can weigh in. SusunW (talk) 21:38, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Happily, there is a wikipolicy, the one SusunW refers to. It says that one may use an honorific at first mention of a person, but thereafter one uses their most appropriate single name. This would be their surname in the west, but I wouldn't like to venture an opinion as to Sri Lankan usage.
 * Back to that "may": one would use it if a weighted consensus of reliable sources does. So I have an FA where I refer to "Henry, Earl of Derby" at first mention in each of the lead and the main article, but thereafter in each he is just "Derby". Note that he is never "Henry of Grosmont, 1st Duke of Lancaster, 4th Earl of Leicester and Lancaster, Earl of Derby KG". That is his full, formal name, but is not used (other than in the first line of the article on him) because it's not policy and because RSs, for the most part, don't.
 * Does this help? Gog the Mild (talk) 22:21, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks (titles truly just confuse me, no surprise) but, I think you are saying when we introduce him we can say "born to Dr. Don Allenson Goonetilleke" and thereafter just "Goonetilleke" no Dr. no Don. I think we are okay with "Don Jakolis Rupasinghe Gunawardena" because after his introduction, he has just been called Ralahamy? SusunW (talk) 22:36, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , without checking the sources - which would be getting a bit much for GAN - yes, that's my opinion of how policy and common usage would apply. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:42, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks (titles truly just confuse me, no surprise) but, I think you are saying when we introduce him we can say "born to Dr. Don Allenson Goonetilleke" and thereafter just "Goonetilleke" no Dr. no Don. I think we are okay with "Don Jakolis Rupasinghe Gunawardena" because after his introduction, he has just been called Ralahamy? SusunW (talk) 22:36, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , without checking the sources - which would be getting a bit much for GAN - yes, that's my opinion of how policy and common usage would apply. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:42, 24 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Madras Musings is a magazine, (licensed as a newspaper) not a web page. author (confirm spelling of his name. The article says Erwin, but also says he is the author of Tomorrow is Ours, which clearly shows his name is Ervin), article title, publication name, publisher, location, volume, issue, date, etc. should be given.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 14:42, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * a prosperous land-owner who served the British colonial government as the village ralahamy (headman) and vidane arachchi (local police officer). is a direct quote from the source and should be in quotation marks or reworded to avoid copyvio.
 * Thanks – ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 14:42, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * What does "Boralugoda Ralahamy" mean? I think from googling, Boralugoda is a place, so he is headman of Boralugoda? That should be (specified) This source, which is a newspaper, not a webpage and should list author, article title, newspaper name, location, date, etc.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 14:42, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Muthiah, et al. is a book, should include place of publication and isbn/oclc #, as well as page numbers. Is the publisher Young Socialist Publication as given here or Young Socialist Publications as given in De Souza?
 * More research shows it at "publications". I've corrected. ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 14:42, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * De Souza is a book, should list place of publication and page numbers. Clarify publisher name, see above.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 14:42, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * PERERA is shouting. Please put it in normal text and format it as a newspaper citation, not a web page, listing author, newspaper name, location, date etc.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 14:42, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * "47th Death Anniversary" Daily Mirror is a newspaper article and should be properly formatted. It says nothing about eliminating leaders or suppressing an anti-British movement. Reformat the ref and provide a citation for the text.
 * Thanks - the above link was primarily to cite him having been sentenced to death. I've added a seperate tribute which reflects this. ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 14:42, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Citation 12 does not link to any article it links to a basic search of the Mirror?
 * Seems the article must've archived itself... I've replaced it. I'm still looking for a source that shows the "led to Ralahamy's strengthened disapproval of British Colonial Rule" as the prior quote. SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 14:42, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Goonewardne's should be Goonewardene's
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 14:42, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Gunasekara Hamine is her maternal grandmother per Muthiah et al. (p. 36)
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 14:42, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Cite to Duraisingam should include a page #, but unless you can verify is RS, should be changed to Liyanage, p 3.
 * Interestingly, Duraisingam seems to have just published various articles of others. Would this still not fit under suitable citations? SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 14:42, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * This last sentence is unwieldy. I'm not sure someone is "noted" for their impact on their family. I also think you mean Hamine's status. (How tall she was has nothing to do with her serving as a midwife.) Perhaps "Despite Hamine's high status, she served as midwife for the entire village, as there were a lack of medical professionals. Vivienne acknowledged that her grandmother's example was influential in her life". I do not see this cited in Muthiah et al, but it is in Liyanage p 4.
 * It seems that stature can mean both reputation/status, and height. I've changed this to avoid confusion. I've also reworded slightly. ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 14:42, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

I'll stop here for the night and try to resume tomorrow. Very, very difficult to confirm information when all that is visible is a snippet view, but we work with what we have. Perhaps if you insert page numbers, it will be easier to verify the information. SusunW (talk) 23:23, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all of your work here! It seems that the automatic link converter hasn't worked as planned; I've extensively gone back and corrected these... SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 14:42, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * yes, several of us at WIR discovered this problem with the link converters. They just aren't consistent and don't always credit someone with their work. Would that the technology worked better, but alas, it just doesn't. I will not review the edits until I have finished reviewing. I'm methodical and jumping from one "mode" to another is hard for my brain to deal with :). Overall, so far, I can say it's a really interesting article. I am learning a lot. SusunW (talk) 17:42, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Link Tissamaharama.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 15:01, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Cite to Duraisingam should include a page #, but unless you can verify is RS, should be changed to Liyanage, p 3.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 15:01, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I don't see any reference to Goonetilleke in either of the sources cited. Liyanage, p 3, confirms that he was a crown physician and moved a lot.
 * Format Ceylon Today as a newspaper and give the author credit for writing it.
 * ✅ The other two sources were to show that the role of physicians at the time had quite a mobile nature. SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 15:01, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * The boarding school was Musaeus College it should be mentioned and linked.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 15:01, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Neither of the citations after Vivienne later credited the Buddhist mention Goonewardene. Citation needs to confirm the influence the religion had upon her.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 15:01, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I think the last paragraph should be moved. Her father's career "As a physician..." should follow and his wife Emily Angeline Gunawardena. "Goonewardene spent her early youth" should follow helped to deliver her. And, education should be moved to the next section.
 * ✅ I agree with those suggestions - thanks! SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 15:01, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Education and early activism

 * As above, the 2 sentence about education should be moved here and it should be clear that Musaeus was the boarding school. Remove all but 1 link to the college.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 15:25, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Press Reader is not a link to an article and should be removed or tie to specific article.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 15:25, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Add page citation to Encyclopedia of Sri Lanka.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 15:25, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Suriya-Mal Movement and 1934 Malaria epidemic

 * Credit the editors and cite page for Britain, World War 2
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 16:31, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I don't see where in the sources it says that the proceeds of flower sales were used for ex-servicemen. Jayawardena says there was resistance for using money on veterans and those in the movement thought the money should be used for the poor. Seneviratne p 130 said the movement had no relationship to veterans, but became an anti-imperialist movement?
 * ✅ I've replaced with two better citations – the wording for this came from the Movement's page. A citation from Jerzy Jan Lerski states that "proceeds earmarked exclusively for the benefit of those Ceylonese who had suffered while fighting for their British masters", but also mentions that this developed into "proceeds of the campaign were utilized for the publication of literature". However, these earlier quotes are in reference to the beginnings of the movement. I've linked Lerski's source. SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 16:31, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Insert page numbers for Britain, World War 2 and Origins of Trotskyism, which should also cite oclc #.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 16:31, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * "Eye Features" is not the name of the article in the The Nation (Sri Lanka), nor is it a web page. It should contain the issue date 14 October 2007.
 * ✅ Again, apologies for the issues here – it all boils down to my use of the automatic citation tool. SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 16:31, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Page # for Cheran?
 * Seems that the book doesn't have page numbers. Might it be worth leaving it as is, with the link pointing to the highlighted page on Google books? SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 16:31, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I am confused by the meaning of leading fellow students to place their boxes of instruments atop the blackboards. Musical instruments? Writing instruments? How do you get boxes to sit on top of a blackboard? It's a flat board typically affixed to a wall or in a very narrow frame. Are we sure this is what the source meant?
 * This one was quite interesting. It's what the source cited, so I did a bit more digging. In Vivienne's 1956 interview (the tapes can be found below), at around 8 minutes 12 in, she talks about putting music boxes on top of the "boards" and these drowning out the sound of the gun salute. SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 16:31, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I know I said I wasn't going to review the answers yet, but I did read them. Perhaps use that audiovisual template and put in the time so that others can listen. (My husband pointed out that if it were one of those two-sided boards on a pivoting easel, they could have laid it horizontally and balanced things on it. That made sense to me.) SusunW (talk) 14:57, 25 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Were it me, I would rework the next paragraph. The reader is abruptly taken to the drought and has to try to figure out what that might have to do with the student movement. Perhaps, "The Suriya-Mal Movement volunteered extensively during the 1934 disasters. A drought caused a shortage of rice, estimated at 3 million bushels;(insert page #) floods, from October onwards; and a malaria epidemic, affecting 1,000,000 people with at least 125,000 deaths, which continued through 1935, heavily effected the poor.(insert page #s) The Goonetilleke's residence was converted into a hospital for the sick.(insert page #) The volunteers, including Vivienne, observed that there was widespread malnutrition among the poor, which was aggravated by the shortage of rice, and which reduced resistance to the disease". This last sentence needs to be supported by a citation. Kohn p 377 does not mention volunteers, Goonewardene, or any "observance".
 * ✅ Your suggested structure works very nicely. I've added a citation. SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 16:31, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Suriya-Mal Movement should only be linked at the first occurrence.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 16:31, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Later education

 * Philip Gunawardena and Robert Gunawardena should follow "uncles". Insert page citation.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:04, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Insert page for uncle and aunt.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:04, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Ceylon Today should be formatted as a newspaper and credit the author. I don't see where it says they helped her attend classes for the Cambridge exams, it says Robert helped her sit for the scholarship exam and says nothing about defying the father's wishes. Wijesekera p 107 says he helped her leave boarding school to take classes for the Cambridge exam and that her teacher, Majorie [not sure if this is misspelled, but it is what the source says] Davidson, prepared her for the scholarship examination in secret. Liyanage p 10 says it is Marjorie and also says she passed the Cambridge at 16. Perhaps "Robert helped her leave school to attend classes for the Cambridge Matriculation Examination, which she passed at age 16. While still residing at Musaeus (spelled wrong in the article) College, Gunawardene was secretly tutored by her teacher, Marjorie Davidson, to sit for the University's Scholarship Examination".(Wijesekera p 107)(Liyanage p 10)
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:04, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * What does "she won an exhibition at the scholarship examination" mean? Both sources simply say she won a scholarship from Ceylon University College for their English honours course. Insert page #.
 * It's confusing wording, but from what I understand it seems that she applied for University in Britain – I assume this was Cambridge as it's mentioned that "exhibition at the scholarship examination", which might be the next stage from the examination. This may beed more research. SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:04, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * "discovering of her university place" perhaps "discovering her university acceptance" or "discovering her university enrollment" (Hathurusinghe says she entered and Liyanage p 18 says she registered for a general arts degree.) insert page #.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:04, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * It was with the support of her Uncles and her Father's friends that she defied her father and was among the then very small group of women to enter university – later completing her studies, through his best efforts to frustrate her. seems rather POV and isn't supported by the source. Source says only that her father's friends finally persuaded him to let her attend university. Insert page #.
 * ✅ Altered to more neutral. SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:04, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Women's hostel should not be capitalized, as in Liyanage p 11.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:04, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * While initially attempting to join the Drama Society, Goonewardene was not permitted by her father Instead she turned to the university's debating club. seems awkwardly phrased. Perhaps simply, "As her father did not allow Goonewardene to join the drama society, she turned to the university's debating club". (Insert page #).
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:04, 23 October 2020 (UTC)


 * After "displayed" should be a : and citation to the page number.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:04, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Entry into the Lanka Sama Samaja Party

 * Why no mention that the Lanka Sama Samaja Party was the first one in Ceylon? Abeynayake says that as do other sources. Insert page # for refs.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 15:32, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Not sure why previously each ref was cited separately and in this paragraph they are suddenly grouped. In any case, all books need to reference page numbers.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 15:32, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Guruge is a self-published book, but as the author is Ananda W. P. Guruge (confirmed in worldcat), I think you are okay to use it if you insert "authorlink=Ananda W. P. Guruge" in the ref. Insert page #s.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 15:32, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * "Anonymous letter" sentence insert page 17
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 15:32, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Having only completed the first year's examination, Goonewardene was brought home having despite the pleas of her teachers is not supported in the ref cited. It does however, appear on Liyanage p 17.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 15:32, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Next sentence, ref says only that she later entered the University of London. Jayawardena p 55 says her uncles helped her to get an external degree. Liyanage p 18 says it was a General Degree in Arts.
 * ✅ I've added those, but kept the original citation. It states that she entered the University of London to do her Bachelors in Arts. SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 15:32, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * When did she graduate?
 * All I found was this: It seems to suggest 1934?


 * After "company of her Aunt Caroline" need page number.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 15:32, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Raising a family

 * There is no need for a subheading for her husband, as there aren't any other subheadings in the section. Take out the subhead and the "Main article:" and just link him in the text.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 16:03, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I think that there is undue focus on her husband and his family in the first paragraph. I would cut everything between "He was the son" and "fleet at Panadura" and then move the next paragraph up. What I do want to know, though, is he related to Vivienne's mom? That should be addressed in a note.
 * I've made the cut, but kept a section on the source of Leslie's wealth. It helps display where it came from. From what I can see, they're not related (the surname is different too – it's Goonewardene vs. Gunawardena) – SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 16:03, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * "Goonewardene had founded", do you mean was one of the founders? Braunthal p 271 provides as list of others. I see nothing in Braunthal or North that indicates he was the secretary-general, but Gunawardena p 166 does.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 16:03, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * None of the sources in the sentence about Leslie's birth confirm anything in the sentence other than his birth date and place. Delete source Parliament of Sri Lanka, is simply a name and date. Not sure about the Encyclopedia of Marxism as a RS, main page links to WP. Were it me, I'd probably remove it. Add OCLC and page # for Members of the Legislatures.... Provide a source confirming Methodism, parents political activism.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 16:03, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * No mention of Leslie in Wilson and Gunawardena p 167 only confirms St. Thomas and LSE. this p 7 confirms the rest of it.
 * ✅ Apologies. I seem to have linked Wilson's wrong book. SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 16:03, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * "At LSE, he has become" should be past tense, either had become or just became.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 16:03, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * See comments above about Encyclopedia of Marxism, as a RS. Even so, I don't see anything in the link that confirms Leslie met Phillip and Robert while attending LSE. Provide source.
 * ✅ I've replaced with a JSTOR link, accessed through the Wikipedia Library Platform. specifically mentioning the above. SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:02, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Link ideologue, provide full journal citation, including page 258. Verify dates, only date visible on that page is 1959.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:02, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Provide page number for quote the custodian of the consciousness of the LSSP.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:02, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * If Don is not part of his name, it should not be included as an honorific.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:02, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Provide page number for quote be like Leslie.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:02, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Provide page number for "great success". I see only p 84 which says 2 party members were elected. That seems like a small amount.
 * ✅ Added another quote supporting this. I think the quote is more supporting that it was seen as a great success for the LSSP, a young party who had been able to prove that there was a will for their political beliefs. SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:02, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Provide page number for Galle Face Green rally date and number of attendees.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:02, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm not really sure the quote is needed, it isn't about her but her father, but if you keep it, it should be sourced to Liyanage p 28
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:02, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * After revolutionary under surveillance correct link to English book version. Page cite should be to 55, 64 as 64 discusses political position, whereas p 55 only religion and caste.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:02, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Kurukularatne link is dead. Add wayback link and archive date.
 * Provide cite for While she was kept a prisoner, she was still able to secretly write letters to Leslie with the help of a local bookseller
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:02, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Gunawardena does not mention a wedding date. Kurukularatne says they married on 30 June, not January, "at the Hotel Nippon at Slave Island". Fix citation and confirm correct date.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:02, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Indian Independence

 * This whole section to my reading tends to be heavily off-topic. This is a biography about her, not about general politics nor the party, nor her husband. The title is confusing as well because she was not Indian, so the reader immediately asks why she would be involved in Indian Independence. I would retitle it Indian exile, or Underground in India.
 * Might "Indian Independence Movement work"? – this is primarily what she worked on in India (as well as raising a family). SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I would cut everything after With the outbreak of the Second World War, the Lanka Sama Samaja Party through The party characterised the Second World War, i.e. With the outbreak of the Second World War, the Lanka Sama Samaja Party was banned because it characterised the war as "an imperialist war", adopting a vocal anti-war stance." Insert page numbers for both sources and add citation for Ervin, p 92.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Not sure what Through this, it was re-established underground, a necessity due to its vocal anti-war stance, opposing that of the British war effort is trying to say. Ervin pp 92-93 says it was the impending arrests that forced Leslie underground. I would probably delete the sentence.
 * ✅ reworded. SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Link N.M. Perera and Colvin R. de Silva
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Fernando link is dead. Add wayback link and date.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Source does not say she went underground. Neither does Erwin p 93, nor Hathurusinghe. He went into hiding, she gave birth alone.
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Again, I would delete the whole section "The Bolshevik–Leninist Party of India, Ceylon and Burma", "Quit India Movement & Party Split" and "Initial Party Split", as they have little to do with her. Parts to keep: Leslie traveled in disguise and only at night, moving often.(Ervin, 93) Vivienne remained at their home, assisted by Philip's wife, Kusuma, because she was expecting their first child.(Kurukularatne) Despite her pregnancy, she continued to support the Samasamajist movement, attending rallies, distributing pamphlets, and passing along intelligence to the underground.(Kurukularatne) She was confined at at Dr. Wickramasuriya's Nursing Home in October 1940, where she gave birth to their daughter, Kumudini.(Kurukularatne)(Liyanage p 37) Shortly after in 1941, Leslie went to Bombay and by the end of the year was joined by Vivienne and Kumudini.(Ervin, 102)(Liyanage p 37) They lived like fugitives, living in Bombay, Madras, and Calcutta, under numerous assumed names, such as Mr. and Mrs. Pinto.(Hathurusinghe)(Ervin, pp 102, 287) She also pretended to be Allan Mendis' spouse and used the name Lakshni Rao;(Hathurusinghe)(Kurukularatne) while Leslie's pseudonym was K. Tilak.(Alexander p 517) Vivienne worked at a newspaper which was published by Ceylonese exiles, selling the papers in the streets.(Kurukularatne) The couple were participants in the anti-British Quit India Movement until the end of the war.(Gunawardena p 167)(Kurukularatne)
 * I'm unsure here – I feel that there are sections in these that are quite important to her life (having spent a significant time in India on the Independence movement). I believe she was one of only 4 foreigners invited by the Indian State to India's National 50th Independence Celebrations. I think the Quit India & Party Split section, for instance, is primarily focused at her. I'll work on cutting out words from the other sections, however. SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * As long as you can find sources that specifically state her involvement (not just the party's) I can reread what you rework. Does her bio give us more direct ties to her?


 * I think you can also work in here some info from Ervin about why they would be involved in Indian politics. For example, pp 97-98 says that members of the Lanka Sama Samaja Party worked to form a unified Trotskyist party, across the subcontinent including Burma, Ceylon, and India, which came to be known as the Bolshevik–Leninist Party of India, Ceylon and Burma.
 * Agreed, I'll work on adding some of this. SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * For people unfamiliar with the political parties, using the acronyms is difficult for them to remember what party is being referred to. I have been cautioned in the past in GA reviews that it is better to continue with the full name, i.e. Lanka Sama Samaja Party, than an acronym. Not essential, but for you to consider.
 * Do you think it would be worth changing all "LSSP" to the full Lanka Sama Samaja Party, or just having one full version per section, with the following acronym. i.e. Lanka Sama Samaja Party (LSSP), then using the acronym for the rest of the section? SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I would leave them out all together and use the full name, but once a section would be your call. At least then the reader isn't having to search the entire document.

Return to Sri Lanka

 * While it is usually preferable to refer to biographical subjects by their last name, in this case, because she shares her name with multiple other people, you should continue to use her first name, as you have in the rest of the article.
 * Unlink Second World War, N. M. Perera, Philip Gunawardena, Leslie Gunawardene, and Colvin R. de Silva, each of them should only be linked at the first occurrence of their names.
 * Your first sentence should state when they returned. According to Kurukularatne that happened in November 1946 and only after the arrest warrants for them were dismissed.
 * The first paragraph is off-topic. Doesn't really have anything to do with her. Perhaps, "When the exiles returned from India the Lanka Sama Samaja Party had been split into two factions. One, led by N. M. Perera and Philip Gunawardena, rejected the notion that their party was a unit of the Bolshevik–Leninist Party of India, Ceylon and Burma.(Ervin pp 193-194) The other faction, led by Colvin de Silva and Leslie Goonewardene, accepted the alliance, forming the Bolshevik Samasamaja Party, to which Vivienne adhered.(Ervin p 191)(Gunaratne)(Liyanage p 46)
 * I think there is a difference in being the sole founder and being a founding member. I also don't see in the sources verification that it was the "world's first socialist women's organisation". We also need to know when Eksath Kantha Peramuna was founded. Perhaps: "In 1947, Vivienne, along with other leftist women like Cora Abraham, Shirani Jayawardena, Parameswari Kandiah, Edith Gyömrői Ludowyk, Irangani Meedeniya, Jeanne Pinto, Sita Wickramasuriya, and Doreen Wickremasinghe, became founding members of Eksath Kantha Peramuna (United Women's Front).(de Mel p 29) It was the first women-only, autonomous, political organization in Ceylon, (de Mel p 29)(Bastiampillai) and attempted to integrate a feminist agenda into the socialist sphere, focusing on employment conditions and wages, as well as social issues.(Wickramasinghe p 126) (note Wickramasinghe is a thesis and should be formatted as such, crediting the author). You could also cite to Vitarana, see below.
 * I think you can add information from Vitarana here. Perhaps, "Having been judged for behaving in ways "unbecoming of a woman", Vivienne ardently supported women's rights, fighting for them both as a private citizen and parliamentarian. She served as the president of the Sama Samaja Kantha Peramuna (what is this? The women's organization of the Lanka Sama Samaja Party? Would be nice if we knew when she was president.) and led rallies and demonstrations in favor of women's issues on International Women's Day and May Day". (Liyanage in this p 8, suggests that it was the Women's Front of the party and that Vivienne was president until her "demise". Does that mean death? or retirement from politics?)
 * I'm confused. What does The party did, however, collapse shortly after its conception alongside the Soviet-backed Communist Party withdrawing support of it as part of its non-co-operation policy with Trotskyists. relate to? What party collapsed? We were talking about a feminist organization, not a political party. Perhaps I figured it out. Prashad p 293 says Eksath Kantha Peramuna collapsed in 1949 because the communists withdrew. Clarify if this is what you meant.
 * Sri Lankan independence section is off-topic, as it doesn't have to do with her per se. I think you can merge parts of it into the main section here and others into the following section. But parts like, The Lanka Sama Samaja Party led Sri Lankan independence movement succeeded when, on 4 February 1948, Ceylon was granted independence as the Dominion of Ceylon need clarification, as I don't see that in the sources. Hathurusinghe says she was active in the party reorganization and campaigns of the left. Ervin, pp 229-230 says both factions of the Lanka Sama Samaja Party supported Ceylonese independence, but neither endorsed the bill when it was presented to Congress. They believed that the bill would not end colonialist policies, nor would political and economic authority pass to the people. Steinberg p 178 says that the Ceylon Independence Act passed in 1947 creating the Dominion of Ceylon on 4 February 1948, as a member state within the British Commonwealth of Nations with obligations of reciprocity for both Britain and Ceylon.

Electoral politics

 * Politics should not be capitalized in the heading.
 * Here I think you give the background of elections. Parliamentary elections were held in 1947 and D. S. Senanayake of the United National Party was elected as Prime Minister.Imbulana Move The new government proceeded to disenfranchise plantation workers of Indian Tamils descent, using the Ceylon Citizenship Act of 1948 and the Parliamentary Elections Amendment Act of 1949.[142][143][144] These measures were intended primarily to undermine the Left electorally.[145] to follow the opening sentence. Insert page # for each ref.
 * Insert page #20 for Havelock election.
 * I cannot access p 49 in Liyanage. All that I can see is "Vivienne Goonewardena's name is not recollected with any clarity nor recorded as having played an active role ... It is not difficult to visualize the younger Vivienne, now the mother of a second child, Suren just two years old, setting out..." Can you scan it, as that seems to contradict that she was campaigning 1949? Gunaratne is no help as it says she campaigned in 1947, which seems unlikely as she would have been pregnant with Suren at that time.
 * This numerical advantage was visible by the number of candidates each party fielded.[148] While the LSSP fielded 28, the BSP fielded only 10.[149] Not sure what the number of candidates in her party had to do with her? I would suggest deleting as is off-topic.

Colombo Municipal Council

 * I would not split this section into the names of the various organizations she served, i.e. Colombo Municipal Council, President of the All Ceylon Local Government Worker's Union, or misc. Reunification, Hartal and after. Instead I would call it something like Local and trade union politics (1950-1956) and then run things chronologically. Otherwise one is jumping back and forth between dates in different sections and trying to see what else was happening simultaneously, if that make sense.
 * Goonewardene remained a member except that I found "Vivienne Goonewardene who also contested Kelaniya in 1952, was successful in 1956 to win Colombo North" in Wijesekera, p x, says she was also running for Parliament in the period. Perhaps, "Though Goonewardene remained a member of the Colombo Municipal Council from 1950 until July 1954, in 1952, she attempted to gain a seat in the national Parliament".(Gunaratne)(Jayawardena, 2006 p 43)(Wijesekera, 1995, p x) (The citation to Gunawardena does not appear correct, as it just says she was a member of the Council for a dozen years; Jayawardena says she won in 1950 was defeated in 1953 and returned in 1959. Gunaratne says she kept the seat to the end of her term in 1954.)
 * and again from 30 January 1960 until December 1969. needs to move to the correct chronological order and be cited to Gunaratne and Hathurusinghe.
 * After lives of the poor insert page #.
 * After child mortality in shanty towns insert page #.
 * Gave Ranasinghe Premadasa a lift (do we mean a ride) where? His article says that he was also on the Council. Perhaps, "Daily, she carpooled with Ranasinghe Premadasa, who was also on the Council and would later became President of Sri Lanka.(Liyanage p 49)(Wijayadasa) FYI, I get nothing from the New York Times link except a solicitation to subscribe. The Sri Lanka Guardian link is accessible.
 * After All Ceylon Local Government Worker's Union insert p #
 * Are there transcripts to the Roberts interviews? If so, cite pages. If not, you need to format them as Template:Cite AV media using minutes or time as the field to designate at what time the statement being cited occurred. (Disclaimer, I have never used this template before and am not technical, but trying to figure out what template to use, this one looks like the most logical).
 * Since widows and orphans pension is linked to pension, I am assuming it isn't the name of the service, so shouldn't it be pensions for widows and orphans or widows' and orphans' pensions?
 * While the LSSP were the main opposition party when?
 * In 1964 seems misplaced in this section as the section starts in 1950 and the following section begins in 1953. I would move it to where it goes chronologically.
 * The Reunification is off-topic. I would delete everything except Vivienne's Buddhist background gave her an advantage while contesting the seat, however the seat was [add also] contested by the SLFP's Wimala Wijewardene, who received the support of the Kelaniya temple's Buddhist monks.[167] While campagining, Vivienne's third child, Premilla, was born, further limiting the extent to which she could canvass. and then relocate those two sentences to follow the sentence I proposed above "Though Goonewardene remained a member of the Colombo Municipal Council from 1950 until July 1954, in 1952, she attempted to gain a seat in the national Parliament" or your version of same. I see in Pinto p 356 that Wijewardene had the monk's support, but nothing about Vivienne's advantage. Insert page #s for sources and a cite to confirm Vivian's advantage.
 * Much of Hartal and after is also off-topic. I would rearrange it, keeping only the essential parts that involve Vivienne. For example, "Through their exile, the LSSP leaders had witnessed the immense impact of the hartals, or general strikes, during the Quit India Movement, ensuring that this knowledge was brought with them".(source needed. Nossiter p 200 confirms that there were strikes in India, but does not confirm they were influential for Ceylonese planners.) "In 1953, the LSSP took the lead in organising the Ceylonese Hartal", as a response to increases in the price of rice.(Fernando) "The strike took the country to a complete standstill".(Munasinghe) "During the hartal, Vivienne insisted that a black flag, the sign of the Hartal, be hoisted upon the roof of the Colombo Town Hall".(Liyanage p# I get no hits from Liyanage on black flag or Hartal, but if you send me p 49 as requested above, I'll check it. Gunaratne says the black flag was flown as a symbol of opposition to the United National Party, not as a symbol for hartal. Clarify.)
 * After this, I would break the section call it something like National and local politics (1956-1964) and then run things chronologically.

National and local politics (1956-1969)

 * Comment: We may need to adjust the ending date of this, I just picked it at random from a quick overview of the next sections. There may be a more logical end date after reviewing the material. Seems to me the best date to end it is 1969. End of the decade, but also end of her stints in local politics.
 * Information from In 1956 the LSSP went into a no-contest would fall under this heading.
 * The link to the Island is dead. As there isn't a title, I cannot search for it. Just a suggestion, but you should make sure that all the links are saved in wayback, so that they aren't lost.
 * Spell out Lanka Sama Samaja Party and Viplavakari Lanka Sama Samaja Party. Link Viplavakari Lanka Sama Samaja Party. Insert page #218 for Wickramasinghe.
 * Move Vivienne was elected as a Member of Parliament in the Colombo North Electoral District between 1956-60, where she won 58.09% of the vote. to follow the opening sentence so that the focus remains on her. I cannot find the % in the source cited. Verify the amount and insert page #. Also perhaps "Vivienne was elected to a four-year term as a Member of Parliament in the Colombo North Electoral District, where she won 58.09% of the vote" reads smoother. If you cannot find the percentage, Gunaratne says she won by 7,352 votes.
 * The MEP won the Mahajana Eksath Peramuna won... Mark Namasivayam as I tried to access through OUP reference and OUP scholarship but cannot, so is clearly restricted.
 * The LSSP once again became The Lanka Sama Samaja Party became. Insert p 7
 * Through this, the LSSP to avoid redundancy, perhaps just "the party". Insert page # for citations.
 * I would cut In July 1959, through break the unity of ULF. as its focus is on the party and not about Vivienne.
 * From the previous section, this is where her 2nd term on the Colombo Municipal Council should go. Hathurusinghe says she was elected in 1959 and served Mahawatta until 1963. Is that this Mahawatta (Colombo) Grama Niladhari Division, if so, should be linked.
 * Did she run in 1960 as an MP? Gunaratne confirms she did and that she lost the seat by only 144 votes. Except the election board, p 1 shows she lost by 758 votes and also that she was defending her seat in Colombo North.
 * I would move the entire section labeled "Foreign relations" here, but lose the section and subsection titles. This is information specifically about her and should be included but none of it is sourced. You need to provide citations to RS.
 * I am curious why there are so many citations to off-line newspaper articles. Does Sri Lanka have a national archive, where these can be accessed? I've tried searching wayback and get no hits, but it would be easier to search if there were actual links rather than just searching for a name with multiple spellings. For example, the citation to "Condolence message on death of Vivienne" appears to be an obituary, which would be likely to list her accomplishments in detail. If there is an active link somewhere, it should be included. I get that part of it is the era and part of it is the location, but seems odd that so few sources are available.
 * According to Hathurusinghe the 1964 election was a By-election. That is confirmed by information from the election board, p 1 that it was to fill the seat left vacant by Danister de Silva, who had died recently."Sessional Paper", 1964, p 160.
 * Link Borella Electoral District
 * The election board p 10 confirms she ran against Kamala, but doesn't confirm she was W.D.'s widow. Need a source for this.
 * Not sure what After her victory as part of the United Left Front, Vivienne was quoted as having said "Only the ULF and the UNP" by the Ceylon Daily News, 20 January 1964 means. Ceylon Daily News should be linked and italicized.
 * If you keep the quote about Kamala's concession speech, you need a full citation, i.e. author, article name, newspaper, location, page # or link, etc.
 * Vitarana says Sirimavo Bandaranaike made her a Junior Minister of Local Government in 1964. Gunaratne confirms that appointment, saying it was made in June and that with the appointment she became one of the first women to serve as a deputy minister in the country. Liyanage p 9 confirms the appointment from 1964-1965, but calls the post "deputy minister".
 * Section "Growth of the Lanka Sama Samaja Party" does not appear to be about her, but rather the party. The whole section should be cut. I know I am asking for significant cuts, but it is a requirement that the article stay focused on the main topic. The only sentences specifically about her in this section are In 1959, despite being one of the largest landowners in Sri Lanka through inheritance, Vivienne and Leslie fought for the re-introduction of inheritance tax to the country, despite the opposition of wealthy established parliamentarians but the source doesn't mention her. If you can find a source that specifically ties her to this issue then we could keep it. The other is Vivienne, however, believed she could have the most impact as Secretary of Home Affairs, so took up the role. The link to the New York Times is not to an article but to a subscription page. I have not seen this claim in any of the other sources. Does her biography confirm it? In general, legislation she introduced or she fought for with a source specifically stating her involvement should be included. Party politics should only be introduced to clarify and give context to her career.
 * According to the election office p 1 she ran in the General Election in 1965, losing by just under 1,700 votes. Hathurusinghe says she was re-elected to the Colombo Municipal Council that same year and Gunaratne says she served as Municipal Councillor through 1969.
 * The part about Bandaranaike should move into the 1970s where it chronologically fits.

Lanka Sama Samaja Government (1970–1975)

 * This title seems odd. It was a coalition government and according to Liyanage p 10 the Left never independently governed. I would probably rename it "Later politics (1970-1977)" (and the section you have labeled as Later politics, I would call "Continued activism (1977-1994)".
 * ✅ SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk)
 * ;) you are catching up to me. I told you I am slow. SusunW (talk) 18:29, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * This By 1970, Leslie and Vivienne believed that they could implement his views best through the SLFP coalition and joined the SLFP-led United Front government. That year, the United Front, made up of the LSSP, was elected to power in landslide.[233] The LSSP had 18 MPs in the House of Representatives. is a bit confusing as there are too many repeated acronyms. Perhaps simply "In the 1970 elections, the Lanka Sama Samaja Party joined in a coalition with Bandaranaike's Sri Lanka Freedom Party, and the Communist Party of Ceylon to form the United Front.(I wouldn't use Jasentuliyana as it doesn't give all the parties of the coalition. The Honolulu Star-Bulletin does.) The coalition won a landslide victory, and Vivienne contested and won the seat to represent Dehiwala-Mount Lavinia.(The Honolulu Star-Bulletin, p 2)(Gunaratne)
 * Move Goonewardene became Junior Minister of Health to wherever it would go for 1973, as Ervin, 2006, p 287 says she became a Junior Minister in that year. Keep the cite to Wijesekera as Ervin does not state in what Ministry.
 * There is no anchor telling us what Phadnis refers to. Lots of link errors to the source but no citation. Looking at worldcat, the only thing that seems to apply is this article, which has the correct date and page ranges for the citations. Is this correct? If so, add the source, but I do not see that Vivienne had anything to do with worked to convene a Constitutional Assembly. That was Bandaranaike. I find no references to Vivienne in this article at all, so am not sure that it is correct.
 * A lot of this section appears to be a copy paste from Bandaranaike, which is not allowed. (Copying WP to WP is still a copyvio). Everything in the section which was copied must be deleted. You can only put back in anything that you can source as being specifically an action that Vivienne did.
 * Thanks for that – I didn't realise. :| I'll remedy this section as soon as I can get through the rest of the comments :) SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 23:05, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I think you need to do it first. Once a copyvio is detected it should be removed immediately. Violation of copyright is a serious legal issue, which I do not want to be involved in. Rule of thumb, never ever post something on WP that is not written in your own words. (Yes, I get that there are exceptions, but to avoid any problems, just never do it.) I have just discovered that there is a long history of copyvios with this article, thus, I am concerned that I will need to see every source to confirm that it passes 2C - no original research (This is the problem I have pointed to above that you cannot assume she was involved in something just because her party was. A source must actually confirm her involvement.)- and 2D - no plagiarism (Normally off-line sources are AGF, but with this history, I am not sure that is not problematic for a GA review). I will have to seek advice on that, from a mentor who has more knowledge about reviewing than me.
 * Thanks for that advice. I've removed the entire section, and will work on re-writing (sourced) in my sandbox to be re-added later. Thanks. SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 16:20, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The issue with the removal of content is that I'm unable to see what's been removed now... (as well as being unable to see prior editions). It seems that some content has been removed, being linked to, but I'm unsure what this content is.... SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 16:26, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that I can't see it either, but it is irrelevant if everything you have now written in the article is in your own words and verifiable with sourcing. SusunW (talk) 16:39, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I've also gone ahead and removed the sections on foreign relations. They were uncited. Through the writing of this article, I was able to unearth Goonewardene's list of visas, which I had correlated to detailed events attended to by Bandaranaike. I'll work on citations before re-implementing these over the next couple of days. The only issue with the revisions being hidden is that I'm now unsure if any key information is now missing. SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 16:44, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * As I said earlier, I spoke with a mentor. Their advice was to fail the nomination because of the serious and repeated problems. Rather than do that, my honest advice to you at this point is to withdraw the GA nomination. You need to go through and make sure that there is no original research and no plagiarism. None, not one instance of stating something not in the source or copying material from a source. Everything must be written in your own words and nothing can be included in the article unless a sources specifically says it. You cannot assume that she did or thought anything that a source doesn't confirm. I have given you a roadmap of what is to be done before it could be nominated again. In light of the history of copy violations that has come to my attention, I would also suggest that every source you use on this article be openly accessible and archived in wayback or another archival service so that it can be verified that there is no further copyright violation problem. When you are 100% sure of the integrity of the article, and only then, you could consider renominating it. If you choose not to withdraw, I will have no choice but to fail it. SusunW (talk) 20:44, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * That's a shame, but I understand your reasoning. I wanted to than you for the huge amount of work you've put into this article – I really appreciate it and have thoroughly enjoyed working with you! Would you be willing to have a look again when I've fully checked the article (and fixed the page numbering issues)? For now, I'll follow your advice and withdraw. SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 20:49, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It seems that withdrawing isn't possible without failing. Might it be possible to put this article on hold? (the standard period of 7 days will be enough). I think the issues that have come from this article are from sections I added after completing the article to try and increase general subject knowledge – from your comments above, I should've focused solely on what Vivienne did. I've removed these sections now, but know exactly where to work on. There had been some issues in the article in the past, but those were when I was a young editor (and I learned a lot from that experience). The only points here were the section from the other wiki (I wasn't aware that content within wiki was copyrighted, but now am), and the section that has just been removed that I had thought I'd gone through myself. I'd be willing to spend the next few days trawling through every line and citation to remedy this? My ultimate aim is to get this to become the first South Asian female political biography FA, and I'm completely aware that that means quite intense scrutiny. The sooner that happens, the better ;) SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 20:57, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It seems you are correct. It can only be withdrawn before the review begins. I think you will need a new set of eyes on it when it is ready, as I have already spent a lot of time on this, and have other pending work. More eyes are not a bad thing, as everyone has different perspectives (and access to sources) that can add to creating a better article. Please do not nominate it until you are very sure it will meet the criteria I have laid out above. SusunW (talk) 21:17, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No worries. Thanks for the advice! SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 21:19, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I truly hope you are successful in reaching the goal of getting her to FA. Clearly she is a notable subject and deserving of a well-written article. SusunW (talk) 21:25, 27 October 2020 (UTC)