Talk:Vizcaya

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JUST STOP IT
No, no and no. You don't understand anything, you want to break the rules. No dude, it does NOT work like that. A disambig page is JUST that. No content in it. It looks like you want YOUR article to show first whenever you type "Vizcaya". Well, it can not be, rules don not permit it. I'm sorry, accept it. There is another "Vizcaya" different from yours, it's universal and it is the original. OK? David 13:28, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

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David, Thanks for writing. Your article shows a few places in Spain with the name Vizcaya, and vizcaya is a spanish word, but that does not mean they are exclusive to Spain. Regardless of "the original", the searching public is not looking for your Spanish places or your little article about Biscay. Although nicely done, your information is incomplete. When searching for information about Vizcaya, people are looking for the museum in Miami. Perhaps you should do a little more research before you try to play God.

And they are not searching for "villa vizcaya" - this is not how the museum refers to itself, so although some nice person started the article about it as "villa vizcaya" this is incorrect.


 * What people is looking for a museum in Miami? Sorry, new vandalic user, you should understand that the World is not your town. I know it's a very Biscainne (and US-American) attitude but it's not realistic, nor serious nor Wikipedian.
 * Vizcaya is the Spanish term for Biscay (Basque: Bizkaia), actually it is a much larger and more significative community than Villa Vizcaya, with all respects for your hometown. It also have several museums btw, including Gehry's masterpiece (Guggenheim Museum), the second most important art collection of Spain (the first one in the Basque Country), and many other things of historical, geographical, cultural, political or social interest. It should be also interesting for the inhabitants of a place named after it - but that's your business.
 * In general Biscay, as a territory of more than one million inhabitants, having given name to a sea (Bay of Biscay) and palyed a major role in the economy of Western Europe (Spain, Britain and Flanders specially). Is a more clear focus than a town called Villa Vizcaya.
 * Also Vizcaya is still practically official in Spain and Spanish language to refer primarily to the territory known in English as Biscay. Many people may search for it under Vizcaya and you have no right to frustrate them.
 * In fact it's the first time that I read about Villa Vizcaya at all. But well, I don't have to know the names of all the suburbs of Miami (that btw is also a town of Valencia, Spain).
 * In any case, if you keep vandalizing you'll probably end being blocked. Maybe it's not your intention to act as a vandal, and, if so, you should first get familiar with the guidelines of Wikipedia and respectful with other users.
 * Visit the Community Portal, get used with Wikipedia policies and, specially expand your horizon. This is an encyclopedia, not a turism office, nor a search engine.
 * Probably the best choice would be, in my opinion, to keep the original redirect and put a cursive header in the Biscay article saying, as it happens in other articles: Vizcaya redirects here, you may be looking for Villa Vizcaya (Florida).
 * --Sugaar 19:01, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Disambiguating
If there is this much dispute then this should be a disambiguation page. Add the other names that should be included. It certainly should not be a duplication of the article at Villa Vizcaya. Also, please do not ever blank a talk page. Doc ♬ talk 01:24, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Blanking and editing talk pages
It is totally unacceptable to blank and edit other editors remarks on talk pages! I am not going to take the time to restore it all, but this has to stop. The talk page is intended to be a running flow of all sides of any issue. The header is to remain to guide new users with signing their posts and to stay on topic, which have been issues here. Doc ♬ talk 19:43, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Links to this page
I just want to say that there are about 110 pages linking to "Vizcaya", the old redirect page, that now must be corrected because they point to this disambig. page. Why? because some newbie wanted to have a direct link to a page he had just created. How funny. David 16:47, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, to begin with, as this was a redirect page, those should have been direct links in the first place. Secondly, to say the least the changes and the tone of most of the discussion was totally out of place. Hopefully the dust has settled and we can now get back to business. Articles already existed under the proper names for both the museum & gardens and the villa itself before all of this began. I do understand your frustration. Perhaps several of us can make the necessary changes and make the load lighter. Doc &#9836; talk 22:19, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Miamitom 13:36, 28 September 2006 (UTC) Thank you all for your help in this matter. I will learn your system as best I can with all its quirkiness. "I didn't expect a kind of spanish inquisiton - " - Monty Python I should get 3 last chances ... and where is Cardinal Fang ... :) Miamitom 13:36, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Now you are wellcome! ;) David 13:43, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

OH - Thank you Cardinal "Deibid" Biggles. You stimulated my reading on Spanish History during WWII Spain_in_World_War_II - I had forgotten about all of the help your country gave Germany during the war! Wikipedia can be so informative. Perhaps you could include this reference in your Biscay article - it would help to round out the information about Spain Miamitom 13:58, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I was only trying to be kind...see it's useless, as useless as all your reading. So you think I'm proud of that? did you know about Francisco Franco?? Please, read about THIS, it's culture. It won't harm you, I promise. Regards. This is my last comment, this page is about improving the article, not for insults. David 14:18, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Improving things here is what we should all be focused on. I've started making the links direct, it would be helpful if others that are interested in the topic could do some as well. Thanks. Doc &#9836; talk 16:50, 28 September 2006 (UTC)