Talk:Vladimir, Russia

The issue of names of city, personal name (etymology) and DAB articles
Please check Talk:Vladimir (disambiguation). --Irpen 21:32, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Death of Grand Prince
Article says that the Grand Prince and his family died in a church during the siege. Judith Martin, Midieval Russia, page 154 says that Iurii Vsevolodich left his wife and 2 sons in the town and went to collect troops on the Volga. Page 176: he and 3 sons were killed at the battle of sit' river. I don't want to change without better sources Benjamin Trovato (talk) 03:27, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Edits by anon
As I told you before, the local officials in Vladimir, Kazan and elsewhere may date their town's founding to any date they like, seeking political gains for themselves, but they cannot change history. We know too much about early Russia to consider such shameless machinations seriously. I don't believe that any serious scholar would condescend to this dispute, as we have no evidence whatsoever that Vladimir had been an important settlement before Vladimir Monomakh. We may as well say that St Petersburg was founded not in 1703 but several centuries earlier and then assign its foundation to some ancient ruler named Peter or to Apostle Peter, if you like.

Anyway, as the history record of Vladimir (city) attests, I accepted many of your changes, but wikified them a bit and removed tidbits of ignorance. One of these was your calling Vladimir I (who was probably a propotype of the folklore hero named Vladimir the Fair Sun) Vladimir the "Red" Sun. I also expanded on the political context of the 12th century and underlined how much of the 12th-century politics was based on the fact that Vladimir was a minor and newly established settlement as compared to the older centers of wealth and power like Rostov and Suzdal.

You, for your own part, haven't commented yout insertions in any meaningful way. So it's for you to prove that Wikipedia needs to be flooded with unverified assertions of speculative nature. --Ghirlandajo 14:21, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Medieval capital of Russia??
Dear author / editors,

In the current version you simply write that "Vladimir is the medieval capitol of Russia." In other words, sometime in the middle ages, there was a unified country called Russia of which V. was the capitol. Which, I'm sure you will agree, is misleading.

Sorry for not signing this message, I don't have a Wikipedia account.

Sergei S. 15 October 2005

Yury Dolgoruky
Yury Dolgoruky is mentioned in the article as the leader who moved the seat of Great Princes of Russia from Kiev to Vladimir. However, it is also written that "Vladimir had little political or military influence throughout the reign of Vladimir Monomakh (1113–1125), or his son Yury Dolgoruky", which sounds like a paradox to me. Would you please have a look also at the article in Russian Wikipedia about Suzdal and the relation between Andrei Bogolyubsky and Vladimir. --Flyax 13:04, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
The article is vandalized from time to time; important chunks of text are deleted, and nobody bothers to restore them. Could anybody add it to his/her watchlist, so as to monitor prospective vandalism? --Ghirla-трёп- 06:23, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I actually do have this article watchlisted, but I must have missed this particular diff. You, by the way, could have reverted it yourself instead of restoring some random 2006 revision which discarded useful edits along with reverting vandalism.  In any case, I restored the latest revision and reinstated previously removed pieces, including the one about the controversy around the foundation date, which was removed on the basis of being too weasel and opinionated.  You might want to re-phrase that particular one to prevent it from being removed in the future on the same grounds.  Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 13:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

As a given name
Vladimir is most definitely NOT Russian for John. John is a biblical name of Hebrew origin, while Vladimir is purely Slavic. Can this misleading information be removed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.249.238.42 (talk) 13:19, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Infobox "View of Vladimir"
Is this a challenge to play "Spot the City"? I can't see a single building in that picture! Draggleduck (talk) 16:19, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Good point. I changed it to something a little more representative.  Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that the Commons contains a good overall view of the city.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 24, 2010; 16:44 (UTC)

Requested move 2 May 2016

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure)  InsertCleverPhraseHere  09:37, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

– Vladimir has always been a male name, especially for the current Russian President. The Russian city of the same name is not more significant nor popular than the name. The statistics may say that the city is viewed more than the name. If moved, however, the viewership for the city may decrease. Rather than switch primary topic, nonetheless, the disambiguation page should take over the base title. That way, we can determine whether a reader want to click "(name)" or "Russia". George Ho (talk) 21:07, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Vladimir → Vladimir, Russia
 * Vladimir (disambiguation) → Vladimir


 * Support – No primarytopic here. Dicklyon (talk) 01:14, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Support - per nom. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:54, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Strong support per nom -- 70.51.200.96 (talk) 08:24, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Support. The name article is probably the primary topic, but in any case the city isn't. 64.105.98.115 (talk) 18:26, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Support. All good points above.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 5, 2016 ; 15:14 (UTC)
 * Support - per nom & above, – Davey 2010 Talk 22:31, 5 May 2016 (UTC).
 * Snow Support – Vladimir primarily refers to the Russian President Vladimir Putin. Examples include Obama redirecting to Barack Obama. CookieMonster755 📞 ✉ ✓ 02:00, 6 May 2016 (UTC)


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There are no any proves that city existed before 1108
"Vladimir, without country designation, under 990, i.e. during the introduction of Christianity, and believing that in evidence of the oldest chronicle, under the name of the founder of the city, the great Vladimir, one should mean St. Vladimir. This is the last the evidence really refers to the city of Vladimir on Klyazma, but it recorded in the chronicle under 1176 and it further states that in this at the time the city was still new, which could not be said if it had been founded in 990, and therefore in the great Vladimir cannot be recognized Vladimir St. What about the news of 990 about the construction Vladimir St. mountains Vladimir, then undoubtedly it was Vladimi Volynsky 4), in which the Church of the Mother of God actually existed, built by Vladimir St., whereas in Vladimir on Klyazma There was no Church of the Mother of God before the construction of one. Andrew in 1160 All this leads to the conclusion that in the Nikon Chronicle, as well as in others one with her categories, which were compiled in Muscovite Rus' at a time when Vladimir Volynsky was in the possession of Lithuania for a long time and the memory of him was lost in the north, the compilers mixed up the news, and everything that concerned this city was attributed by them to Vladimir on Klyazma", - A. Bunin About the time of the founding of the city of Vladimir on Klyazma According to the book Archaeological news and notes published by the Moscow Archaeological Society. - M., 1898. Nos. 5-6, pp. 179-189. https://web.archive.org/web/20180216064601/http://www.russiancity.ru/dbooks/d28.htm 93.127.69.222 (talk) 00:31, 15 December 2023 (UTC)