Talk:Vladivostok/Archive 1

Correct pronunciation
The character “&#23860;” in 海參崴 should be pronounced as wǎi. It is a 多音字. The northeasterners' pronunciation of this character is correct, while it appears almost all the people from the south pronounce this as wēi. Before the College Entrance Exams, my Chinese teacher specifically pointed this out to us. I believe further information about this pronunciation is available via Google. --Wooddoo-eng 14:21, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Gee, you sure about that? -- G.S.K.Lee 12:22, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Mafia?
I agree the part about Vladivostok's mayor should have been edited out, but it still interested me. Does anybody have any articles (or i guess even other webpages) relating to this? (In russian or english) I have heard the mafia is a huge aspect of doing business in vladivostok...
 * Hi, Jowe! I can't point you to an article off the top of my head, but if you look for "мафия", "Наздратенко", "Толстошеин", and "Владивосток" in Yandex, you'll definitely find what you are looking for.  Five or so year old publications, especially by Cherepkov (Черепков) and his cronies were particularly eager to report on the current mayor's and former governor's mafia links.  Hope this helps.&mdash;Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 12:19, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * "Наздратенко", "Толстошеин" - has gone. Now new age of mafia here "Николаев" aka "Винни-Пух" and "Дарькин". --Morpheios Melas 06:51, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Hm, always thought they are all one and the same. I haven't been to Vlad for five years, though, so no wonder I missed stuff.&mdash;Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 12:18, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * I haven't been to Vlad for 3 years too. In russian: "Короче по буржуйски я плохо говорю. Здрям земляк! Я тоже там не был уже три года, Дарькина еще застал, а про Вини-Пуха мне друзья приезжавшие в Москву рассказали. Говорят, что старые уже наворовавшиеся были, а новые молодые и голодные и им всего мало." --Morpheios Melas 05:28, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Опять за своё :( Эти наворуются — другие придут.  В общем, всё как всегда.  Грустно.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 12:38, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
 * Article: http://www.compromat.ru/main/vinnipuh/a.htm (in russian, sorry) --Morpheios Melas 14:01, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Great
The article has lots of interesting data not available for other cities. It certainly needs a better organization, but the content is great. I know little about Vladivostok, so I am unable to contribute. I think this article, or parts of it, should serve as examples to form an article-standard for city articles. Congrats, keep up the great work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.153.27.206 (talk • contribs)
 * Thanks! I shall not-so-humbly take credit for most of the content :)  I'd also like to add that even though you may not know much about the city, you can still contribute.  Like you said, the organization of the article sucks (to put it mildly), so, if you have any interest in seeing it fixed, be bold and dive right in!&mdash;Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 14:53, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Population ratio
Could somebody shed some light on the current population composition of the city? I heard that the ratio between Chinese and Russian was 50:1 and don't know is it true or bogus.--G.S.K.Lee 10:15, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * It is more likely to be 1:50. Samnikal 14:05, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * 1 chinese / 10 uzbeks / 1000 russians. Very very low chineses. Переведите ему кто-нибудь.

TV stations?
What are "the Pacific State TV and radio Broadcasting Company Vladivostok", which were in the media section? I removed them from the article because the sentence was grammatically malformed. Samnikal 14:02, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Good riddance. Those were from the 1991–1993 sources.  I never corrected that part myself because I do not know what's available in Vladivostok now.  Feel free to edit the rest of the text as well&mdash;most of it is by now obsolete and is in desperate need of being updated.&mdash;Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) 14:22, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Vladivostok people in Australia
How many people live in Australia but are from Vladivostok, Is there a number range (e.g. 400-500) or is their nobody —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.8.208.130 (talk • contribs).
 * I very much doubt you can obtain this kind of statistics anywhere. Russia does not keep records of where people are emigrating to, and I would imagine that Australia does not track its immigrants by the city of origin.  May I ask why you are interested?&mdash;Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 02:09, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * AFAIK Australian government keeps information about the place of birth, but these records are not public. The census data on the other hand do not contain the bith place info. I would guess a few hundred is about right abakharev 02:17, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Links between Australia
What links are there between Australia and Russia

You mean Russian connections in Australia ? abakharev 07:59, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Chinese names
Even though Vladivostok is now officially named 符拉迪沃斯托克 in Red China, it does not apply to Taiwan very well, as the Government of the Republic of China (now based in Taiwan) has never been very willing to recognize the unequal Treaty of Peking that would cede the area surrounding Vladivostok. Only 2370 Ghits for "符拉迪沃斯托克 site:.tw" and 245 Ghits for "符拉迪沃斯托克 site:.gov.tw" suggests how unpopular this Russian-style name is in Taiwan. Taiwanese people usually say 海參崴, but they will probably not know what 符拉迪沃斯托克 is.--Jusjih 17:59, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Political issues aside, counting google hits constitutes original research and is not acceptable as a source per Wikipedia policies. Please find a reliable source supporting your statement or re-phrase the passage in question as to not to rely solely on google hits.  Thank you.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 18:21, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I have found a Taiwanese governmental source added to the article that you cannot dispute, whether you like it or hate it. The National Institute for Compilation and Translation of the Republic of China based in Taiwan shows Vladivostok as 海參崴 only, no 符拉迪沃斯托克.--Jusjih 14:59, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

With respect, what relevance does the Chinese name for Vladivostok have here - or any other language for that matter? Even if one accepts that this information IS relevant, why not put it further down the page - maybe next to a piece about Chinese immigrants? 196.30.118.75 13:07, 22 April 2007 (UTC) DawnTreader

Port of Heilongiang Province, Harbin
I think that it would be logical if Vladivostok develops as the Port of the Heilongjiang province (Harbin) of China.

Russians have to undertake the negotiation with the Chinese Authorities now that North Korea is still a close nation. In the future there will be much more competence.

The strategical situation of Vladivostok is excellent among four of the main World economies: Russia, China, Japan and South Korea...and if North Korea opens itself and starts growing over 9% a year that would mean a great impulse to all the Primorsky Krai.

It is difficult to imagine a better place for international investment. Access to land development should be open and Trade and fianncial services guaranteed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.24.240.143 (talk) 05:14, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

While in most Australian states the capital has about 60% of the population in Primorsky Krai it is just 25% but Vladivostok needs about 1,5 million people (similar to Brisbane) to become a Global city. A Metropolitan Area (including Nakhoda) should be created starting with over 800,000 people. Development thanks to Trade and industry will take the M.A. Vladivostok population to over 1 million people at the time of the 2012 APEC Asia Pacic Summit.

Management of the city has to improve and also the the important source of money that is Tourism. A city which welcomes mostly Asian tourists from Japan, China and South Korea as the European Gateway to Asia would attract investment. Tourism and Trade will be the first sources of money for the people of Vladivostok after the 2012 Summit.

Politics
Shouldn't there be a section on this and the city's representation? Btw, I just started a page on Tiger (organisation) - regarding the 2008/2009 Russian protests against import taxes. They should probably have it's own page too. Malick78 (talk) 15:55, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Vladivostok Megalopolis, Vladivostok Metropolitan Area (V.M.A.)
For investment it would be better for Vladivostok and for this article using the population of the Vladivostok Megalopolis, the whole population of the Metropolitan Area, including Ussuryisk, Nakhodka, Artiom etc., the same way as Americans, Australians or Canadians do in Seattle, Vancouver or Perth. The Vladivostok Megalopolis of over 1 million people makes the city more attractive for foreign investors and as a hub and node for Trade and manufacturing. Governor Sergey Darkin was the first to talk about the Vladivostok Megalopolis (Metropolitan Area) but that concept is not developed in this article of Wikipedia, and it should because it is very important.--81.32.120.153 (talk) 21:50, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * По факту никакого Владивосток-Сити или как его там, нет. И, насколько я могу судить - Находка в это не входит чисто географически. Сначала хотят объединить Владивосток с Артёмом, затем уже Уссурийск, т.е. вдоль Амурского Залива. И это ещё очень предварительные планы.
 * Wikipedia is not a promotional tool for attracting investments; it is an encyclopedia. That said, if the population of "metropolitan area" can be referenced with a reliable source, there is no reason not to add that figure to the article.  In absence of such source, we'll continue to use the official Census data and the population estimates (for more recent years).  Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:45, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Note the words of the Governor of the Maritime Territory (Primorsky Krai), Sergey Darkin: http://russiasregions.com/maritimeterritory.html "We have simultaneously started the implementation of the Greater Vladivostok project, which is to form a modern megalopolis with 3 to 5 million people living. Greater Vladivostok is to champion Russian interests in the Far East, becoming a genuine Eastern capital, a bridge between Russian and Eastern civilizations"--88.26.56.179 (talk) 15:34, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No matter how great Mr. Darkin is, just because he said something does not mean we, the Wikipedians, should immediately hurry to edit our articles to fit his vision. Not to mention that the statement "to form a... megalopolis with 3 to 5 million people" does not mean the city already accommodates this big of a population.  It's merely a bold statement not supported by real-life facts.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:31, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

How to confirm?
Holiday	First Sunday of July[citation needed] In administrative jurisdiction of	Primorsky Krai[citation needed] Administrative center of	Primorsky Krai[citation needed] Head[citation needed]	Igor Pushkaryov[citation needed] Representative body	Duma[citation needed] Area	600 km2 (231.7 sq mi)[citation needed] Founded	July 2, 1860[citation needed] Postal code(s)	690xxx[citation needed] Dialing code(s)	+7 4232[citation needed]

??? it's all true, just not "Duma", but "Kraevaya duma", (official: ZaKs PK - Zakonodatelnoe Sobranie Primorskogo Kraya) http://www.zspk.gov.ru/

Holiday, Founded, Administrative: http://www.vlc.ru/statute/index.htm

Chapter I. GENERAL

Article 1. Vladivostok city district and its status

The city of Vladivostok was founded July 2, 1860 (city status granted April 22, 1880) and is part of the Primorsky Territory. Municipality Act vested in the city of Vladivostok Primorsky Krai from 06.12.2004 № the 179 BB on Vladivostok in the status of the Vladivostok city district. Date of foundation of the city of Vladivostok is the Day of the city. City Day is celebrated every year - the first Sunday of July.

Phone code:

http://www.mtt.ru/info/codes/index.wbp?page=15&country=%D0%EE%F1%F1%E8%FF

Postal code:

http://postindex.delovoigorod.ru/vladivostok/center/

Head: ???

http://www.vlc.ru/inter/ru/events/tourism/page/about.htm Population The area of the city - 56 154 hectares, population - 631 500 people, representing 30% of the total population in the Primorsky Territory. Population density - 1,183 people per km2. The length of the city limits - 132 km, the total area of forest is 39500 ha


 * My Mistake. "Duma of Vladivostok". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.35.214.146 (talk) 15:51, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Transportation
The article states that the road continues past Khasan to Chongjin, North Korea. Not true. There is a rail bridge across the Tumen River, but no road bridge. I will remove the reference. Comar4 (talk) 19:06, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Reply to Vladivostok people in Australia
I am doing an assignment on Vladivostok, I need to know approxmently how many people or groups there are in Australia from Vladivostok
 * I believe there are 4. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.237.253 (talk) 20:33, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Holiday
The day when Vladivostok was founded and it's also red letter day is 2'nd of July, but not the first Sunday of July. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.154.116.34 (talk) 13:10, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * July 2 is the day on which the city was founded, and that date is given in the "foundation day" field. The first Sunday of July is when "city day" is celebrated each year, as per the city charter.  It's given in a different field for a reason.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 29, 2010; 13:42 (UTC)

THE OLD MAP The map should be in the historical part of the article as it is not a modern Chinese map but an old 1820 map, and it says the same as any other map from the same years in the rest of the World, including Russia. Primorsky Krai became Russian territory decades later than that map, so it is correct. In modern maps Chinese recognise the present official limits of China, both to Russia and to Mongolia. So it doesn´t make any sense including that map saying "Chinese still.." because it is FALSE. Present Chinese maps are similar to the Russian ones.--79.146.211.125 (talk) 20:06, 31 October 2010 (UTC) And by then Alaska was part of Russia...--83.39.40.254 (talk) 21:35, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

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pollution
this is urological and ignorant message without any proof and racist plz remove it.--Sinny55 (talk) 14:14, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Local ecologists from the Ecocenter organization have claimed that much of Vladivostok's suburbs are polluted and that living in them can be classified as a health hazard*
 * Hmm, I'm not sure what "urological" is supposed to mean in this context, or why this is "racist", but the statement being cited is most certainly not "without any proof"&mdash;it is properly referenced. Now, if you have other sources which refute this claim, you are more than welcome to add them to this paragraph.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 15, 2011; 15:16 (UTC)

what is the size of the metropolitan population?
id like to know how many people live in the metropolitan area of vladivostok. as far as towns of 20,000 of more go Primorskij krai has 13 major places. i have the towns of Fokino (pop. 23,683) and bol'soj kamen (pop. 39,259) as being part of the metro politan area. but id like a official figure of the metropolitan population of vladivostok area. 76.211.5.253 (talk) 22:01, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Climate
Is the port ice-free all year round? The article doesn't mention whether it is or not. The climate section gives average winter temperatures above the ocean freezing point, but the record lows are below. Does it affect the port at all? Moonraker12 (talk) 17:09, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's ice-free all year round. See, for example, here or here.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 17, 2012; 17:16 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that! I've added a bit in the Port section to cover it. Moonraker12 (talk) 15:34, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

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Geography

 * This article defines the total area of the city as 331 km2 (meanwhile according to the official site of the city, referred to in this article (http://www.vlc.ru/city/)  it is 625 km2

Well let’s consider it by districts.

1.According to the Russian website the area of only one of the five district is 290,7 km2. .

2. As for the Frunzensky district, only the mainland part of it is about 20 km2. Besides it is necessary to add the area of the Peschany Peninsula (17.4 km), natural reserve ["Kedrovaya Pad"] (178,97 km2), Russky Island(97,6 km2) So the territory of the Frunzensky district is about 300-320 km2.

3. Pervorechensky district and Leninsky district have 50 km2 each

4. And at last Pervomaysky district – if we take into account Popov Island (12.4 km2 and Ricord Island (4.85 km2) then the area of this district is 65 - 70 km2 So, simple summation of the above figures gives the total  city area of 750- 790 km2  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edward Kaminskii (talk • contribs) 02:41, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The cite URL in the article is dead, making the 331.16 number unverifiable. I replaced it with the 625 number, per the official website. The discrepancy, by the way, is most likely due to the original source counting only the territory of the city proper, while the latter is likely to be the area of an entire urban okrug (i.e., city proper plus other territories).
 * As to what you just did above, that's a textbook example of original research and synthesis. It's not acceptable. But thanks for bringing attention to this all the same. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 25, 2015 ; 14:20 (UTC)

Japanese school?
I recently watched a clip show from the Japanese show "Gaki no Tsukai" (ガキの使い), in which they visit a "Vladivostok Middle School"; while there are signs in Russian here and there, and the people certainly look Russian and speak Japanese very poorly, the sign for the school is written in Japanese, 「ウラジオストック市立　ウラジオストック中学校」 (Urajiosutokku shiritsu Urajiosutokku chuugakkou), which rougly translates to "Vladivostok City-Administered (that's public school in the American sense of the word) Vladivostok Middle School".

A Google result for that Japanese school name comes up with no results save those referring to the TV program. While I certainly accept that it could have been faked, that they didn't actually go to Vladivostok, I have to wonder, does such a place exist? Is there a public (city-administered/funded) Vladivostok Middle School with Japanese language signs? If so, what's the historical reason behind it?

Thank you. LordAmeth (talk) 02:15, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The Japanese consulate claims (in Russian) that Japanese is offered in six public middle and/or high schools in Vladivostok: Gymnasia No. 1 and 2, and elementary+middle+high schools (Russian srednyaya shkola, i.e. an institution that has grades 1 thru 11) No. 2, 22, 51, and 76. Two of them (S.Sh.  22, and 76) are described as Japanese-language magnet schools (Средняя школа № 51 с углубленным изучением японского языка; literally, "schools with intensive study of Japanese"). In the Russian context this means that at these two schools students get more hours to this subject than an average  Russian school  allocates to the foreign languages (typically, English, German and/or French), and most likely that they aspire to provide language immersion as well (meaning, they probably teach some subjects in Japanese and offer extracurricular activities in Japanese). Those two schools pretty much ought to have Japanese signs all over (just like French immersion schools in British Columbia would have plenty of French signs). But as you say, "they still speak Japanese poorly", which I would not be too surprised about :-)


 * As to the historical reasons, larger Russian cities have long had a variety of magnet schools - some offering better science and math instruction, some more sports (at a more competitive level), some more arts, others providing (or at least meaning to provide) foreign-language immersion. That certainly was the case in the 1970s, and it probably started much earlier. (There are actually articles about quite a few individual schools in Russian wiki - here's a search results page) English, French, and German were (and I suppose still are) the usual choices, but I believe they have long had some more exotic offerings as well - and Vladivostok or Nakhodka would, obviously, the most logical place to (try and) offer Japanese immersion, just like St Petersburg would probably have a couple Finnish schools. Vmenkov (talk) 08:50, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I see. Thanks so much for taking the time to write this interesting and thorough explanation. .. If it were a Japanese school in certain other parts of the world (Korea, Taiwan) I would say there's a chance it's a holdover from the colonial period... but of course Japan never controlled Vladvostok, which is why I was confused. Thanks again! LordAmeth (talk) 11:38, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I am several years late for this discussion but just in case anybody else was confused: I'm pretty sure the Vladivostok Middle School (sign included) was a joke made for the TV show. And they definitely did go to Vladivostok considering the cast also went to Italy, America and France at one point. --2602:306:CD79:31B0:3196:A5CA:8CF0:FF0 (talk) 10:33, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Demographics.
The "Demographics" section is particularly bare. It just gives the total population. No breakdown by sex, age, ethnicity, languages spoken, religions, etc. I can't believe a major Russian city doesn't have more comprehensive census data. Have these been omitted as part of some political agenda? 202.81.248.64 (talk) 14:23, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
 * E.g. in 2005, the section had this:
 * The city's current population is approximately 591,800 (census 2002). From 1958 to 1991, only Soviet citizens were allowed to live in, or even visit, Vladivostok (and even Soviet citizens had to obtain official permission in order to enter the city.) Before this closure, the city had large Japanese and Chinese populations.
 * Lacking in sources though. Is it Chinese who don't want the small number of Chinese who live there stated, or Russians who don't want to acknowledge anyone except Russians? 202.81.248.64 (talk) 14:58, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Not quite sure how you were able to read a political agenda into a simple editorial choice :) The statistics are, of course, available (and mostly accessible via the already included Census links), but such detailed breakdowns are not normally included into the main articles per WP:NOTSTATS (item #3). If we had a dedicated article (Demographics of Vladivostok, which you are welcome to start, by the way), it would have more leeway, but Vladivostok is an encyclopedic article whose purpose is to give a general overview of a fairly sizable city. Including tables of statistical details pertaining to just one aspect would simply overwhelm it.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 19, 2016 ; 13:17 (UTC)

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distorted ethimology
In preambula 2 year is distorted ethimology Vladivostok Влади not from Владеть this is not professional fantasy. Влади as in Владимер from Володи - Hair, Pokrov. Владеть from Велети.

In 14 century Володи transform to Влоди in 18 century to Влади.

Main kafedral sobor (church) Vladivostok is Pokrova Virgin Mary.

Vladivostok - Pokrov Vostoka. Pokrov is religious termin. but all city Russian Empire hav only religious name..109.239.217.240 (talk) 17:29, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Notable People, why chronological order?
I tidied up the Notable People section, added dates, removed sexist language and extraneous links. I put it into chronological order as I feel this shows something of the history and development of Vladivostok and of the changing nature of fame. Brunswicknic (talk) 13:43, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Twin towers and sister city
Hey guys, what about Haiphong city Phương Nghé Con Nguyễn (talk) 13:53, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, de facto, since 1971, Haiphong and Vladivostok were sister cities (Russian: города-побратимы). It was at the inter-party and inter-state level. But now there is no such mayor-to-mayor agreement. For the current list of the Vladivostok agreements, see here. — Helgi-S (talk) 18:02, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

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