Talk:Vladlen Tatarsky

Requested move 2 April 2023

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Procedural close as the article is already at the requested title. Estar8806 (talk) 23:21, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Maxim Fomin → Vladlen Tatarsky – The article was created as Vladlen Tatarsky and was moved to Maxim Fomin without any disucssion. At this point, all sources in the article, without any exception, refer to the subject as Vladlen Tatarsky and most do not even mention his birth name. Vladlen Tatarsky is clearly a COMMONNAME. Ymblanter (talk) 18:57, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I moved it back because it was an undiscussed move. WP:BOLD is required sometimes. Super   Ψ   Dro  19:02, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I already applied protection earlier to stop vandalism, I am afraid my credit of BOLD is exhausted for today. Ymblanter (talk) 19:06, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

That's funny, his pseudonym is taken from a Russian fiction novel and has no legal status, it's about as real as a blogger who nicknamed himself Donald Duck. This article was hastily created in good faith by someone who didn't know that. But suit yourselves. Machinarium (talk) 19:08, 2 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I knew that, no problem. It is just we have WP:COMMONNAME which is very clear about these situations. See e.g. Jaiden Animations. Ymblanter (talk) 19:18, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The Novel in question would be Generation "П". Markscheider (talk) 19:43, 2 April 2023 (UTC)


 * You wrote: taken from a Russian fiction novel - any sources? The disambig page Tatarsky doesn't give any hint about that. Boud (talk) 19:55, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The user above you just mentioned the book, Generation "П". 'Vavilen Tatarsky' is the main protagonist, with 'Vavilen' being the author's play on the name Vladlen which itself is abbreviation of Vladimir Lenin. Machinarium (talk) 20:13, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Probably noteworthy
Tatarsky was pardoned by another Donbass separatist Alexander Zakharchenko who was also killed by a bomb in cafe. But I do not see any sources at the moment that would explicitly make such connection and discussed its significance. My very best wishes (talk) 03:45, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 April 2023
why is "Vladimir Lenin" partially written in different fonts? Mistake? Arston22 (talk) 16:52, 3 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Apparently, to show that Vladlen (which is btw a really existing name) is a combination of Vlad from Vladimir and Len from Lenin. Ymblanter (talk) 17:24, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Where is the blog?
The article mentions nowhere the url of Tatarsky's blog. That is a major gap. Wikipedia aims to be encyclopedic but by leaving out this kind of essential information it becomes little more than a summary of recent news articles.Musicmouse (talk) 17:26, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Suspect Arrested
Could someone add that a bombing suspect was arrested according to this? 66.215.132.78 (talk) 19:33, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. BorgQueen (talk) 19:52, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Born
It is indicated, he was born Makiivka, Ukrainian SSR, Soviet Union. IMO this should be corrected to Makiivka, Ukrajina, currently occupied by the Russian Federation — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a01:598:88b3:8412:81f3:2df8:d7be:2cc0 (talk • contribs)

Victor Pelevin's "1999 first novel"
From the article: ***The name is an allusion to both Lenin (Vladimir Lenin) and Russian satirist Victor Pelevin's 1999 first novel, Generation "П"***

From the Generation "П"/P article: ***Generation "П"/P is the third novel by Russian author Victor Pelevin.***

From the Pelvin article: ***His novels include Omon Ra (1992), The Life of Insects (1993), Chapayev and Void (1996), and Generation P (1999).***

Someone with the keys should probably just remove the word "first", because this would not even be important information here, even if it weren't obviously false. Because it was clearly at least his third *or fourth* novel. 67.85.189.13 (talk) 12:19, 15 April 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ Done. BorgQueen (talk) 13:33, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

small mistake
The sentence:

In 2022, he was invited to write for RT and became a co-host at Vladimir Solovyov's analytical show, initially hosted by Mikhail Zvinchuk ("Rybar").

Should be changed to:

In 2022, he was invited to write for RT and became a co-host with Mikhail Zvinchuk ("Rybar") at Vladimir Solovyov's analytical show "Rybar's Analysis".

Reason:

There appears to be a mistake in the cited source. It implies that the show was initially hosted only by Zvinchuk, which is not true. This mistake is not present in the russian version of the source.

WikiEnjoyer123 (talk) 07:20, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅, thanks--Ymblanter (talk) 02:28, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

"Propagandist" seems to be extremely biased towards Ukraine.
Remove the description of "propagandist" as you can pretty much call every blogger a propagandist. Calling him a propagandist has a bit of a negative effect and seems to be biased towards Ukraine. If you were to call him a propagandist than Gerashchenko and Podolyak should also be considered Ukrainian propagandists as they spread anti-Russian propaganda online. Elias Ziad (talk) 22:58, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ? Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 09:43, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Gerashchenko is, as far as I am concerned, a propagandist, not much better than Tatarsky, so what? Ymblanter (talk) 21:32, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Quote by Tatarsky: We'll defeat everyone, we'll kill everyone, we'll rob everyone we need to. Everything will be the way we like it. I think there's difference between the two. Tatarsky didn't make it hard for media to give him pejorative labels, which might explain why he is named here a propagandist while Gerashchenko isn't. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 23:17, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I thought Gerashchenko was either the founder or the early advertiser of Myrotvorets, the first crowdsourcing complaints database in the world and a mass-outing tool. It is just that probably nobody cares at this stage. Ymblanter (talk) 06:31, 4 December 2023 (UTC)