Talk:Vocational school/Archive 1

Merger of career college

 * Merge: I think that the career college can be mentioned in one or two sentences in the vocational school article as an alternate name for the same concept. career college would then redirect to vocational school or perhaps a vocational school section if one were to exist. —Optikos 16:41, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

I think this was not a good idea. A vocational school and a career college are two distinct educational institutions. A vocational school does not grant Bachelor's degrees, nor teach classes in subjects beyond the vocational skills being taught. Whereas a career college that grants degrees does require classes in humanities and liberal arts, just to a much lesser degree than a liberal arts college does. I don't know how to "un" merge topics though.--StevenBradford 04:46, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose Vocational schools are secondary level schools (ages 16-20, instead of high school), while "career colleges" are tertiary (18-22, after high school). --Vuo 10:11, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Opposed How do we go about seperating "career colleges" out from Vocational Schools again? A career college and vocational school are distinctly different institutions.

Addition
What are areas covered in these schools. Only mechanical-related or it includes Office Admin, Applied Arts, Paramedics, Hairstyling, ...? --Connection 15:28, 12 March 2006 (UTC) I am attending a 'career college' online (SJVC)... it certifies you first in the human resources administration and then you can opt to go further into your A.S. degree in Human Resources Administration. The school offers other types of vocations that include liberal arts for the degree program. I think it all depends now a days as to which 'college' you attend. In high school i was in an actual vocational training center, TCOVE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.172.135 (talk) 20:00, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Merge proposals and the "Democratization of Education"
I am working on a project to clean up some of the school pages on Wikipedia for my community in the Netherlands. The term "Vocational School" as a secondary education system is very much in the news these days. As someone pointed out in the Vocational Education talk page, there is some confusion about whether or not vocational education was for the lower classes or not. Traditional guild-based learning entitled a stamp of quality to each worker who had papers showing that the path of apprentice==>journeyman==>master craftsman had been successfully completed. These people were not lower class, but paid taxes as burghers and could pay for an apprenticeship. Despite some black holes in Dutch education policy history, this system existed until well into the 19th century, when it was superceded by the Technical Industrial schools (for boys) and the Household Industrial schools (for girls). I think you will find in general that the start of such schools was directly influenced by local compulsory education laws, since primary education was always a pre-requisite. These schools, though sometimes funded by local industry, were different city-to-city, so a general wikipage cannot be made about these schools. A general page about the growth of the vocational schooling system, culminating in various national educational laws is still needed however and could be put under the Vocational Education page for the Netherlands. Today, there is a strong movement to go back to the vocational school system, which was more or less abandoned in the 1960's (mostly to create "Democratic" equal opportunities in secondary education as a path towards tertiary education) in favor of terms like Technical school and Agricultural school. The reasons to go back to a modified guild model are the explosion of white collar workers on the job market and fewer white collar jobs, while the country still needs as ever, a small army of blue collar workers. Again, these are not "lower income" workers, but well-earning people in highly skilled trades.

I propose to keep both pages, and if necessary, split them off into country specific (and perhaps even city specific pages for the historical stories of schools or individuals in the fight for freedom of education) pages. Further, I propose reinstating a page on career colleges (these are a 20th century phenomenon that grew out of the vocational school movement) that can also be split off per country, and I also propose creating a new article, something like Vocational Education (Scam) that goes into the hot topic of selling Vocational diploma's in diploma mills and Mickey Mouse degrees (this has been around for ages, but has only recently been in the news, and should be split off per country as well).Jane (talk) 09:12, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Image in lead
An unregistered editor is insisting that the image in the lead be replaced with another one.

I strongly prefer the old image; it has students, it's colorful and active, and it's even from outside the U.S. which is desirable given the worldwide focus of this topic. The new image is quite boring and doesn't do anything to convey the topic of this article. Thoughts? ElKevbo (talk) 15:30, 15 October 2017 (UTC)


 * I see that vocational university, higher education, and many other is full of images like that since always. I think if the article was about the work itself as apprenticeship, internship, a photo with people would be the best. 1.179.183.109 (talk) 15:45, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * It's a tragic mistake to think that a "school" is only or most importantly the physical building(s). It's an error we do make in this (and many other) articles but it's one that we should not encourage and we should be trying to correct it and do better here and elsewhere.  And even as far as photos of buildings go, the one you've chosen is quite boring. ElKevbo (talk) 15:54, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

This edit needs reviewing
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vocational_school&diff=587510020&oldid=587052431 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.96.35.17 (talk) 01:48, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Help search for Independent, reliable sources
Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 23:04, 17 January 2019 (UTC)