Talk:Vodka Martini

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I'd like to see some citations for "relatively flavorless", even with them it's POV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.233.43 (talk) 15:34, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to see citations that the Vodka Martini has "supplanted" the original Martini in the US. It's news to me. Every time I've ordered a Martini in a bar I've either got something back with gin in it or been asked what kind of gin I would like in it. I agree it's a common variation, but I think the claim it's supplanted the original is a stretch. I'm going to edit it at some point if there are no objections or citations. JPetersen (talk) 08:31, 7 December 2010 (UTC

I live in New York, and since the 1990's every time I've ordered a martini the bartenders always assumed I wanted it with vodka unless I specifically asked for it to be made with gin. I believe vodka has supplanted gin in recent decades as the preferred ingredient in martinis, probably because vodka is neutral-tasting so it mixes better and is more forgiving if the liquor is of cheap quality or if you don't get the temperature or the recipe exactly right. When using gin, making a perfect martini is just slightly less difficult than finding the Holy Grail.

I got to this page as a redirection from "Emergency Protocol 417" when I was trying to find out what that term meant. Nothing on either page indicates why "Emergency Protocol 417" redirects to "Vodka Martini". 23tony (talk) 18:20, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Kangaroo? I've never heard it called that in years working in bars and would like to see a citation for that or some mention of where it's called that.94.170.25.203 (talk) 20:27, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

--49.128.1.204 (talk) 06:11, 27 March 2012 (UTC)A Kangaroo as I know it is made with a half measure of Dry Vermouth into a chilled glass and served with a twist of lemon in Vodka strained through ice.

Anything else is just a vodka Martini so far as I can work out.

Alas, I have no source to point to so I won't update the article.

KANGAROO: The classic bar manuals aren't online, but just google Vodka Kangaroo and you have dozens of references.76.190.244.215 (talk) 14:21, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

I have to say that I think this, honestly, nonsense comes from the Bond movies. A Vodka Martini is a contradiction in terms, really. There is no more such a thing than there is a Whisk(e)y Daquiri, or a Brandy Black Russian. While it is, as the article says, a nice enough drink, per se, it isn't a Martini.85.229.59.113 (talk) 21:39, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Dryness?
Noel Coward, et al, opined that a gin martini had only the barest whiff of vermouth about it. To my 2:1 palate, if you don't like the vermouth, use better vermouth.

Does a similar issue arise for the vodka martini? Is a "dry vodka martini" a thing, or do we simply call that "vodka"? Andy Dingley (talk) 14:38, 21 October 2016 (UTC)