Talk:Vogue (dance)/Archive 1

London
Added some current information on the London voguing/ball scene and a quick line on the Berlin voguing scene. I will hopefully flesh out that section when I return from Europe later next month.

--BXM 11:29, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Picture
The picture is a shame to the article and at best shows a caricature of the dance being portrayed. It was clearly put up there so "Eric" could promote himself. Could we get somebody on there that actually mattered to the dance, e.g. Willi Ninja/Hector Extravaganza/etc.?? 88.74.11.19 (talk) 01:09, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

And another thing...
Although it might have started out as Vogue Femme, people have not pronounced it /fam/ but  /fem/ as in engl. "feminine", and "Vogue Fem" is also what you find on flyers these days as a category. A Wikipedia article is not a place to clean up pronunciation and spelling mistakes people have made but to recount the story as accurately as possible. If we're talking about what "is", it's Vogue Fem. 88.74.11.19 (talk) 01:15, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

It's called "history"...learn it...and learn it WELL. BTW...the pronunciation is exactly the same now as it was in 1985. That hasn't changed.

--BXM 11:28, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Historical data
It may also be of interest to consider incorporating extraneous historical data that have been offered by various older members of the community, such as Dorian Corey and Pepper LaBeija. For instance, in Wolfgang Busch's documentary How Do I Look, Pepper LaBeija states in a voice-over that the history of vogue/performance has some of its roots at Rikers Island. One wonders how or if such historical data might be substantiated, since Wikipedia does encourage in-depth articles (where even trivialities have their place), and not just the brevity exampled in the current article on vogue. --Trrill 02:22, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

This article needs to be blocked so the kids can't always edit their little houses in. No shade, but you're trying to list influential houses and you miss out the House of Ninja and add houses that haven't existed for even a year yet??? No matter what personal issues you got with somebody, keep it real guys. You want your house to be influential then work on it - and I've looked through a little of the history of this post and it's ridiculous. 195.191.253.2 (talk) 15:28, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Possible organization
This article (as is evident from the self-promotion) was contributed by a member of the Midwest ballroom community. Suffice it to say that after my long stint on House of Balls (Yahoo) as co-moderator, it became clear quite early that most kids in the scene are woefully ignorant of actual ballroom history. The further you get from New York City the greater that ignorance becomes. What's worse is that most will make up what they don't really or rightfully know. But, it is to be expected. The written or documented word matters little in this scene. Neither does what came before. This is a scene that lives for who's hot now.

Wari Shade

There are many historical and factual inconsistencies and inaccuracies in this article that I attempted to correct from my own first hand experience of over 20 years involved in and around the ballroom in NYC. Apparently whatever forces may be at play chose to re-edit my edits. Too bad, the facts will remain the domain of those of us who actually lived them.

WS


 * I want to encourage you not to give up and be patient with the wiki process. We all probably want a great article about voguing and for it to be accurate as well as fab. Consider looking at other more developed article and get a sense of the style they are presented then see if there are any changes that might make sense for this article. One rule is to be bold, another is to assume good faith that others mean well (even if that seems not to always be true). I've made some substantial improvements and added some appropriate categories. Please help tell the story of voguing and provide any good references or links to videos whenever possible.Benjiboi 10:50, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

LATE
Some of the people listed on this wiki page need not be! Let the kids get their life I guess...lmao —Preceding unsigned comment added by VIVISM (talk • contribs) 22:52, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Agreed. Whoever lists Prince Milan as the epitome of Vogue Fem (truly, girls...it was vogue femme), was never around when voguing femme began right around 1985.

But, voguing children have short memories from all the crack they smoke.

willi x (talk • contribs) 22:52, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Also, so far I have neither seen a Bboy do a dip nor call it the 5000. This name is only popular among youtube videos, where kids be arguing about what a shame it is that breakdancing stole from Voguing, but if you look at battles such as BCOne and the people competing there you won't see anybody do a dip. 195.191.253.2 (talk) 17:55, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Vogue is older than talked about here.
There is a youtube video doing the rounds at the moment, featuring retired Jazz dancers of the 1950s demonstrating various forms of Charleston dance. It has attain fame because somebody replaced the soundtrack with a modern one featuring Daftpunk. Other similar ones have appeared, and the idea has even been used to advertise yoghurt on UK television.

If you watch the youtube video, you will see that towards the end the dancers start to Vogue.

This would put some considerable age on the dance, as the clip itself is from the Fifties, and the dancers were demonstrating how they used to dance in the old days...

This is the link to the daftpunk version:

This is the original version:

78.146.248.80 (talk) 22:42, 4 September 2008 (UTC) Dominic Lloyd

Voguing's Roots
Dominic,

The roots of voguing lie deep. They stretch far into the history of Louisiana and the Mississippi Delta and, prior to that, the Lenten traditions of France and, further back still, the Roman festivals of the ancient world. There is a historical thread that unites it all. Dance and music have always played a major role in that thread, but originally the salient aspects were costumes, makeup, and cross-dressing. Dance and music started coming to the fore during the Harlem Renaissance and the influence of music and dance continued to increase in the underground culture of balls in New York until the Disco era brought a new and unique form of dance to be placed front and center in the scene.

That dance was called vogue.

-WS — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bxmuchacho (talk • contribs) 12:08, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Potential Useful Source
If someone could find a copy of Marlon Bailey's "The labor of diaspora: Ballroom culture and the making of a Black queer community," I think it'd be immensely useful.

Lock
This article needs to be locked to prevent arbitrary changes.

BXM 12:07, 9 July 2012 (UTC)